I have also had Mormons say to me they would not have had children if they did not fall, since they were going to reproduce other children to progress upward. Again the biblical record refutes this idea showing that God commanded them to be fruitful before the fall occurred.

Lets look at their concept of who God is and who man is.

God is an exalted man, perfected, enthroned, and supreme." (Mormon doctrine. p.250) "God the father is a perfected, glorified, holy man, an immortal personage." (Mormon Doctrine. p.742)

Bible-Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man," they claim he is.

Jn.4:24 "God is Spirit." that is his eternal nature.

You have got to learn how to be gods yourselves ... the same as all Gods before you ... to inherit the same power, the same glory and the same exaltation, until you arrive at the station of a God."(teachings of the prophet J.Smith, p.346,347)

The Mormon Church teaches that God the Father had a Father, and that God's Father also had a Father, and so on back in time. Brigham Young, prophet number two of the church, declared: "He [God] is our Father - the Father of our spirits, and was on a man in mortal flesh as we are, and is now an exalted being.... there never was a time when there were not Gods...

"Our spirits and the spirits of all the human family were begotten by Adam and born of Eve . . . I tell you, when you see your Father in heaven, you will see Adam; when you see your mother that bore your spirit, you will see mother Eve. (Manuscript Addresses of Brigham Young, Oct. 8, 1854)

This idea of preexistence and making certain pre-borns Gods conflicts with the bible as well as their own teaching in the book of Mormon. To say there is both mother and father that had sex in heaven to reproduce sprit children is pure pagan mythology.

"it appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has once been a finite being..." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, page 333)

This accusation found in their official publication shows how far removed they are from the bibles perspective that is Gods word to mankind.

Mormon President Brigham Young taught that Adam was the God whom Mormons should worship, and claimed that Jesus Christ was his literal son. In his infamous address delivered on April 9, 1852, young asserted:

"When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost. And who is the Father? He is the first of the human family.. Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven." (Journal of Discourses, vol.1 pp. 50-51)

So Mormons worship the God who fell.

Wilford Woodruff in agreement stated "President Young followed and made many good remarks . . . He said that our God was Father Adam. He was the Father of the Savior Jesus Christ--Our God was no more or less than Adam . . . Michael the Archangel." (Wilford Woodruff Private Journal, Feb 19. 1854)

 O. Hyde: (President of the Quorum): To acknowledge that this is the Kingdom of God and that there is a presiding power, and to admit that he can advance incorrect doctrine is to lay the ax at the root of the tree. Will he suffer His mouthpiece to go into error? No, He would remove him, and place another there. Bro. Brigham may err in the price of a horse or a house and lot, but in the revelations from God, where is the man that has given thus saith the Lord when it was not so? I cannot find one instance.

Who is our Heavenly Father? I would as soon it was Father Adam or any other good and lawful being. I shall see him sometime, if I do right.

     J. Taylor: When Bro. Brigham tells me a thing, I receive it as revelation. Some things may be apparently contradictory but are not really contradictory.

     Orson  Hyde: I do not see any contradiction or opposition between B. Young & J. Smith.

Mormons want to distance themselves from Young's statements of this kind but look what is said in their official publication J and D which they consider scripture  "I say now, when they (his discourses) are copied and approved by me they are as good as scripture as couched in the Bible…"(J and D vol.13 p.264 also p.95)

What Young may have been referring to that is recorded to read is "God himself; the Father of us all dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did," . . . (Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, Vol. 5, pp. 613-614)

"We are the sons and daughters of celestial Beings, and the germ of the Deity dwells within us. When our spirits took possession of these tabernacles, they were as pure as the angels of God, wherefore total depravity cannot be a true doctrine." (Discourses of Brigham Young, pp.50-51) But somehow these pure spirit beings became sinners.

Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt disagreed with Young and made it clear that the God they refer to had entered " in a fallen state, died and was redeemed ," The Gods who dwell in the Heaven have been redeemed from the grave in a world which existed before the foundations of this earth were laid. They and the they now inhabit were once in a Heavenly body which exalted also, from fallen men to fallen state ... they were Celestial Gods to inhabit their Heaven forever and ever." (The Seer, Jan. 1853, pg. 23)

The bible describes a God who is Holy perfect in all his ways separate from sinners. Jesus was without sin. Yet Mormonism teaches we must sin to progress upward to become a God, like all others before him.

Heb 7:25-27 "Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through him since He always lives to make intercession for them."

For such a High Priest was fitting for us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens;

Heb.4:15 "For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses but was in all points tempted as we are yet without sin." The scriptures are very careful to present Jesus as sinless 2 Cor.5:21, l Pt. 2:22, 1 Jn.3:5.