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Leo Schreven OFFERS $1,000 and a Much more!

Leo Schreven speaking at 7th day Adventist church in Honolulu (Christ Exposes the antichrists greatest deception affecting you. Tape 10 side 2)

“my friends there is not one text in the Bible anywhere from Genesis to Revelation that says Sunday is the Sabbath or that it was changed from Saturday to Sunday or that the day of worship was changed or anything like that whatsoever, not a single text.”

“… so clear Am I on that fact tonight here’s what I’m gonna do, in this “It is written seminar” we try to be totally Bible based and as open as we can possibly be. I am prepared to offer 1,000 dollars cash, and I mean this sincerely I’ll have it here tomorrow night I am prepared to offer a thousand dollars cash to anyone in this city tonight who can bring me just one Bible verse that’s all I want just one Bible verse that says Sunday is the Sabbath or that it was changed from Saturday to Sunday or anything like that. If you bring me one verse tomorrow night I will give one thousand dollars cash now folks that’s open and that’s honest and that’s as open as I can be can you say amen.”..All I’m asking for if its in the Bible Sunday worship is in the Bible we oughtta be able to find at least one text. But folks not only can you have a thousand dollars you can have my house, you can have my car you can have my bassboat you can have everything but my wife.” And I will worship with you anywhere you’d like me to worship with you this coming weekend .If you can find the text. Not only that I’ll tell what else I’m going to do tomorrow night for you. If Sunday or first day of the week is ever said to be holy or if it is ever taught to be Sabbath or anything like that we ought to be able to find somewhere in the New Testament Scriptures.”

The Bibles definition of Sabbath is a day of rest, to 7th Day Adventists it only means the 7th day (Saturday). So they are myopic in their view. Nonetheless Schreven is asking for someone to show that Sunday or any other day is called a Sabbath. He did not say the 7th day Sabbath and he includes this as “anywhere from Genesis to Revelation that says Sunday is the Sabbath” “or anything like that whatsoever, not a single text”. So he is clear as what he is asking, any other day as a Sabbath, which Biblically means a day of rest.

Here’s the scriptures I showed him the next night on paper,  which he totally ignored.

Exod. 12:14: “So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance. 15 ‘Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven from your houses. For whoever eats leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel. 16 ‘On the first day there shall be a holy convocation, and on the seventh day there shall be a holy convocation there shall be a holy convocation there shall be a holy convocation for you. No manner of work shall be done on them; but that which everyone must eat-- that only may be prepared by you.17 `So you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this same day I will have brought your armies out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day throughout your generations as an everlasting ordinance.

Notice the first time the Sabbath was given it was given with the feast of unleaven bread which was called a Holy convocation just as the 7th day was called a holy convocation.

Since everything needs to be explained to legalistic Sabbatarian’s, I will make this as concise and clear as possible since they have a very myopic view of what this means..

Lev. 23:2: “Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: `The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

Lev. 23:28-32: “And you shall do no work on that same day, for it is the Day of Atonement, to make atonement for you before the LORD your God.29 “For any person who is not afflicted in soul on that same day shall be cut off from his people.30 “And any person who does any work on that same day, that person I will destroy from among his people.31 “You shall do no manner of work; it shall be a statute forever throughout your generations in all your dwellings.32 “It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict your souls; on the ninth day of the month at evening, from evening to evening, you shall celebrate your Sabbath.”

Looks like God himself has another Sabbath day, He just gave them another Sabbath on the 9th day of the month. While this is not the 7th day Sabbath, it is a Sabbath (rest) just as the 7th day . The issue is not whether God changed the Sabbath day to Sunday, he did not, the real issue is whether God gave other days to be as a Sabbath (which means rest not worship) which the scripture certainly teaches. The 7th day Adventists and other Sabbatarian's only recognize one Sabbath and so they interpret the Bible with this view. Lets go on...

Lev. 23:36: `For seven days you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD. On the eighth day you shall have a holy convocation and you shall offer an offering made by fire to the LORD. It is a sacred assembly, and you shall do no customary work on it. This takes place On Sunday the 8th day Just like a Sabbath which they claim is a day of worship

Lev. 23:39: “Also on the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the fruit of the land, you shall keep the feast of the LORD for seven days; on the first day there shall be a sabbathrest, and on the eighth day a sabbathrest.”

 Here is the first day which is also the 8th day (a Sunday) is called a Sabbath rest.

Lets see -- God says the first day and eighth day are a Sabbath. On this Scripture alone Schreven loses his offer. No, they are not the seventh day Sabbath, but another day called the Sabbath. Why because Sabbath means rest, not 7th day. There is a 7th day that is a Sabbath each week, but there are also other days called a Sabbath as well. Because Sabbath means reast.

Lev. 23:41: `You shall keep it as a feast to the LORD for seven days in the year. It shall be a statute forever in your generations. You shall celebrate it in the seventh month. “ Notice it is to be continuing just as the Sabbath is. Same words used for the 7th day and this first and eight day, ‘a statute forever in your generations.”  Do Sabbatarian’s keep this day or others that are commanded like it? Some may, but 7th Day Adventists, absolutely not.

If one entertains the idea that these were ceremonial and done away with, than what of Zech. 14:16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. “ While this can be explained from our perspective its not so easily dismissed from theirs.

The repeated command in Leviticus 23 these Sabbaths were to be observed forever just as the 7th day one, one would assume that those who hold to the Sabbath would still be celebrating them as well if they were true law keepers. Yet these Sabbaths are only recognized today by very few Messianic groups and those of personal choice.

God says to “keep My Sabbaths” PLURAL not just singular. In Lev.19:3, 30; 23:38, 26:2.    I Chron.23:3;2 Chron.8:13.  Isa. 1:13, 56:4;  Ezek. 20:12 “Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.”

Yahweh never said to keep only the 7th day Sabbath to ISRAEL but all of the Sabbaths.    

 Ezek. 20:20 “hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the LORD your God.”    

Exod. 31:13  “Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you.”

What is WORSHIP? Is it done and accepted on ONLY one day or more than one day. Did Israel only worship one day a week?

WORSHIP is... The act of paying honor to a deity; religious reverence and homage. The rendering of the following Heb. and Gk. words: (from New Unger’s Bible Dictionary)

Notes: (1) The worship of God is nowhere defined in Scripture. A consideration of the above verbs shows that it is not confined to praise; broadly it may be regarded as the direct acknowledgment to God, of His nature, attributes, ways and claims, whether by the outgoing of the heart in praise and thanksgiving or by deed done in such acknowledgment. (2) In <Acts 17:25> therapeuo, “to serve, do service to” (so RV), is rendered “is worshiped.”

4352 proskuneo from 4314 and a probable derivative of 2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, i.e. (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore):

But this was not all, I included New Testament passages showing when they worshipped the Lord and they were not on the Sabbath only.

Guess what--We can worship on any day, Monday Wednesday and even on a Sunday, its all legal .

 Questions for Adventists to ask themselves; if they really can justify their position. 

Matt. 2:11 “And when they had come into the house, they saw the young Child with Mary His mother, and fell down and worshiped Him. And when they had opened their treasures, they presented gifts to Him: gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Was this the Sabbath ?

Matt. 8:2 And behold, a leper came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, if You are willing, You can make me clean.” Was this the Sabbath?

Matt. 9:18 While He spoke these things to them, behold, a ruler came and worshiped Him, saying, “My daughter has just died, but come and lay Your hand on her and she will live.”                      Was this the Sabbath ?

Matt. 14:33: “ Then those who were in the boat came and worshiped Him, saying, “Truly You are the Son of God.” Was this the Sabbath ?

Matt. 15:25:  “Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!” Was this the Sabbath ?

Not once did Jesus rebuke anyone when they worshipped Him, since only God receives worship, this was true worship on days other than the Sabbath day of Friday eve to Saturday eve. Do you still think they worshipped on everyday except Sunday? Prove it by Scripture.

Matt. 28:1: “Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. vs:9 And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him. This was on a Sunday the first day of the week, the resurrection day. If what they are saying is true, Jesus would have had an obligation to rebuke them!

Matt. 28:17: “Then they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.” A new way to worship is established as in Jn.4 says to worship in spirit and in truth, not just in days. It isn’t the place one worships from  nor the day. It was true worship from the heart by those who received the Holy Spirit.

John 9:38: “Then he said, “Lord, I believe!” And he worshiped Him. Was this the Sabbath ?

John 12:20:  “Now there were certain Greeks among those who came up to worship at the feast. Was this the Sabbath ?

Luke 24:13: “Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was about seven miles from Jerusalem.” V.18 “And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? V.21 “But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, today is the third day since these things were done. Was this the Sabbath ? No, it was Sunday the day of resurrection.

Luke 24:29-51:  “But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 31And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? 33 And they rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, 36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. v.52 And they worshiped Him”, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy. On a day which certainly seems to be Sunday or during the week not on the Sabbath ! 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God.” Amen.

Luke 24:49: “And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, Acts 2:1 “Now when the Day of Pentecost had fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. This in relation to Psalm 133 the brethren dwells together in unity, this is an assembly of worship and reading the Scriptures. This was on a Sunday! Not Saturday. We can worship any day we please as Paul states who are you to judge another about days (Rom.14)? 

Now I have some additional Scriptures that were not shown to Schreven but need to be to shown to other Sabbatarians.

After receiving the 2nd tablets of the 10 commandments Exod. 34:8 “So Moses made haste and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshiped. This was Not Sabbath? This couldn’t be the Sabbath because of the restrictions of rest.

Remember Schreven said, “there is not one text in the Bible anywhere from Genesis to Revelation that says Sunday is the Sabbath or that it was changed from Saturday to Sunday or that the day of worship was changed or anything like that whatsoever.

I think Leo Schreven owes me $1,000 dollars and probably whole lot of others who were Berean’s and showed him the same thing I did. after all this is not some hidden teaching anyone can find it in an hours time.

What do you think? I showed that God honors other days as the Sabbath (rest), God calls them a Sabbath. as Ezekiel 20 states keep my Sabbaths (plural?). The New Testament teaches that its legal to worship on other days, not only that, God commanded it in the Old Testament when He gave the 7th day. By the way Schreven didn’t pay me.

I might add that I don’t have any qualms with anyone keeping the Sabbath, what I do have a problem with is those who make a legalistic stance on it like Schreven did.  From what I understand even his own companions were not happy at some of the things he said. It is ridiculous to take the position Schreven does, for no Christian that I have heard has ever taught the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. The only one who said this was the Roman Catholic church. 

No matter what verse would be offered in support of Sunday or “other day” worship it would not be right or sufficient for the reward that 7th Day Adventists offer because they don’t care what the “whole” Bible says on this subject.

  (for more on what day to  worship click here)

(Was the Sabbath along with the commandments nailed to the cross? click here to find out)

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