Pt.2 Walking in the Sunset of Ecumenism
Now let me turn to one of the signatories who has a tremendous influence on the new evangelicals in the church- Rick Warren (who also associates himself with the emergent church movement.) When people follow men who do not have a grasp on matters of importance like this, they too will be misled.
When one has great influence on the church, it can move it to both good and bad, they should be more careful in their public announcements and endorsements. The Bible makes it clear there is a stricter judgment on teachers. For they can mislead or stumble many new believers.
No false teacher ever has 100% error, it would be too obvious. Instead it is mixed. How much arsenic does it take to kill you from being in a glass of water? Less than 1%. Wisdom tells us not to drink \irst and ask questions later if we have any reservations.
Rick Warren has spoke to United Nations leaders at a UN interfaith prayer breakfast, he spoke at the Council on foreign relations-- His P.E.A.C.E. plan is a mixture of Christian work ethics, a social gospel which is well received with the humanism in these organizations.
It has become known that Rick Warren is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. While this has been posted on some websites I have not seen someone explain what this means and how it can affect the church’s that may listen to him.
First let me ask- why would the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) which has a globalist agenda have a Christian Pastor be a member- and why would a Christian accept it? Could it be that the social gospel of Warren has the elements they are looking for to forge their message to different groups of people? Maybe Warren is just naďve, it doesn’t matter when you help these organizations that do not have the better interest of the church in mind.
What is the Council on Foreign Relations about:
The Council is a nongovernmental, nonprofit and nonpartisan organization. Religious and Congregational Leaders: The Council on Foreign Relations Religion and Foreign Policy Initiative engages religious and congregational leaders, scholars, and thinkers, from across the country, in cross-denominational conversations on global issues; and seeks to serve as a resource of information and analysis on topics at the nexus of religion and foreign policy. Council programming includes a monthly Religion and Foreign Policy Conference Call series featuring Council fellows and scholars, access to live teleconferences and webcasts of New York and Washington Council meetings, and a Religion and Foreign Policy Symposia Series.
What they say about themselves--Religious and Congregational Leaders: The Council on Foreign Relations Religion and Foreign Policy Initiative engages religious and congregational leaders, scholars, and thinkers, from across the country, in cross-denominational conversations on global issues; and seeks to serve as a resource of information and analysis on topics at the nexus of religion and foreign policy. Council programming includes a monthly Religion and Foreign Policy Conference Call series featuring Council fellows and scholars, access to live teleconferences and webcasts of New York and Washington Council meetings, and a Religion and Foreign Policy Symposia Series. Outreach http://www.cfr.org/about/outreach.html
The Council aims to strengthen foreign policy discussions across the country and elsewhere.
convening meetings at which government officials, global leaders, and Council members debate major foreign-policy issues; by operating a think tank that is home to the world’s most prominent scholars of international affairs; International Affairs Fellowships and several other fellowship programs aim to spark interest and participation in world affairs and U.S. foreign policy.
The term NEW WORLD ORDER (or NEW INTERNATIONAL ORDER) has been used privately by the CFR since its creation to describe the coming ONE WORLD government. However, since the fall of 1990, CFR members have used the term publicly to prepare the public for what lies ahead in the future WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM. (reference: research by Michael Sunstar)
On February 17, 1950 CFR member James Warburg, testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee stated, “We shall have world government whether you like it or not—by conquest or consent.”
Dan Smoot, a former member of the FBI headquarters staff in Washington and one of the first researchers into the CFR, summarized the organization’s purpose as follows: “The ultimate aim of the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS is to create a ONE WORLD SOCIALIST SYSTEM and make the United States a part of it.”
Devvy Kidd writes in her article "Treasonous agenda of the Council on Foreign Relations-Before any American decides to poo-poo the CFR and their diabolical agenda, they might wish to read some of the writings by Barry Goldwater on this issue. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44841
CFR has been to be associated with a plan that is to set up a New World Order to bring peace across the globe.
Lou Dobbs, CNN Anchor: “Good evening, everybody. Tonight, an astonishing proposal to expand our borders to incorporate Mexico and Canada and simultaneously further diminish U.S. sovereignty. Have our political elites gone mad? We'll have a special report. Blood ... Now, incredibly, a panel sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations wants the United States to focus not on the defense of our own borders, but rather create what effectively would be a common border that includes Mexico and Canada."
Christine Romans, CNN Correspondent (voice-over): On Capitol Hill,
testimony calling for Americans to start thinking like citizens of North
America and treat the U.S., Mexico and Canada like one big country.
Lou Dobb's show on June 9, 2005,
Treasonous agenda of the Council on Foreign Relations June 17, 2005 By
Consider Rick Warren making this statement: “Who's the man of peace in any village - or it might be a woman of peace - who has the most respect, they're open and they're influential? They don't have to be a Christian. In fact, they could be a Muslim, (Rick Warren guest speaker at the The Pew Forum on Religion. Read the transcripts May 23, 2005. )
Since he signed A COMMON WORD BETWEEN US AND YOU document along with others there does seem to be an apparent ongoing conflict with Biblical teaching and Biblical separation.
2007 Rick Warren speaking at the Clinton Global Initiative. In attendance with Bill Hybelshttp://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org/NETCOMMUNITY/Page.aspx?pid=1724&srcid=1612
RICK WARREN: “When one drop of rain falls, it makes no difference at all. If you get a million drops of rain falling, you can turn a desert into a forest. And the willingness to partner is I believe at the root of why we haven’t solved these problems already, people willing to put aside the things that they differ on and work together on the things that they agree on.
Last year, I spoke at Davos, the World Economic Forum, and I kept hearing people talking about we need public and private partnerships. And that’s true. But if all there was that was needed was government and business, then we would have already done it by now. It actually takes a three-legged stool for there to be stability. A one-legged stool will fall over. A two-legged stool will fall over. You have to have three legs. And if we are going to team tackle these big issues like poverty, disease, illiteracy, trafficking, corruption and so many other issues, we’re going to somehow have to tap into the largest pool of volunteer manpower in the world. It’s two thirds of the world.
It’s called the people of faiths, plural. There are 600 million Buddhists in the world. That’s a large number. There are 800 million Hindus in the world. There are a billion Muslims in the world. There are 2.3 billion Christian members of churches. Now, as a pastor, of course I’m interested in the last one. But they all matter. They all matter. When I think about 2.3 billion people who say they’re a member of a church somewhere, that makes the church bigger than China. That makes the church bigger than India. In fact, it makes the church bigger than China and India put together.
Now, if you want to say, “Well, we can’t have anybody of any faith doing humanitarian effort,” you just ruled out most of the world, because really, outside of Manhattan and Europe, there aren’t really that many secularists. [Laughter] The fact is most people have some kind of faith. It doesn’t matter to me what it is at that point, but if they’re willing to work on the issues, that’s what matters.”
Lets go over what he said--
It’s called the people of faiths, plural. Stating Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims. And “ they all matter”
In what manner do they matter? Warren answers this saying “The fact is most people have some kind of faith. It doesn’t matter to me what it is at that point, but if they’re willing to work on the issues, that’s what matters.”
Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims have faith! Not according to the Bible. But then if you don’t go by the Bible anything can be moved into the circle you have made for faith[s].
This is the bottom line – that Warren (and many others) are willing to have “unity in the faiths” instead of unity in THE faith shows us the underlying motivation for what he wants to take place. This disturbs me to no end.
Let me address his belief system he is engaged with. Jude 3 “I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.”
Look it up- you will not find the word “faiths” in the Bible, nor is the concept upheld. Why? Because there is only one faith, and this faith Warren is not earnestly contending for at all.Scripture exhorts us to contend for the faith that was given to us through the Hebrew prophets and the Bible, for faith comes from hearing the word of God. We are not to be contending for the unity of faiths.
Paul wrote “It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, Galatians 2:20). This is the Faith the Bible teaches, the faith that Paul had. If you have this faith you are a Christian, not another religion.
Paul also admonishes ministers “Only let your conduct be worthy of the gospel of Christ, so that whether I come and see you or am absent, I may hear of your affairs, that you stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel, and not in any way terrified by your adversaries, which is to them a proof of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that from God” (Philippians 1:27-29).
With Warren’s attitude, you can unite with 9/10’s of the world’s religions. This is the very thing the Bible warns of taking place in the last days and Warren and others who are ignoring prophecy (as they claim) are fulfilling it.
Warren is in the same line of so many interfaith proponents.
Warren says: “there is a government role and there is a business role, and there is a faith role”
Speaking of traveling around the world “ And in every country I went in, I would meet with the president and the government leaders, I’d meet with the business leaders, I’d meet with the church leaders and say, “Can we follow that great theologian, Rodney King, and just get along? Can we not work together on the things that matter and make a difference?”
Warrens appeal to a man who used human reasoning and not the Bible is a typical diaprax method.
Warren goes further by stating: “The second thing people of faith have— they’re not just universal distribution— they have the largest manpower of volunteers. Nobody comes close to the hundreds of millions of people who volunteer through their Jewish congregation, Muslim congregation, Christian congregation, or whatever around the world, on a weekly basis.
You can’t talk about community development without talking about people who are apart of faith communities.
So, my commitment is about four years ago, I said, how could we mobilize? What if we mobilized a billion of those two billion, in just my faith, in Christianity, to make a difference. And we decided, we would do a pilot project, that we called the PEACE Program. And, PEACE is an acronym. P-E-A-C-E. It stands for promote reconciliation, equip leaders, assist the poor, care for the sick, and educate the next generation. We have been quietly behind the scenes testing this prototype for four years now, trying to build a plane as we rode it. I, in my own church, I have had over 7,500 of my members; have been overseas in the last three years working in 68 countries.
we just launched, what we call PEACE 2.0. One of the things, we learned is that other people, groups beside churches, said hey we would like to do that, we would like to partner, we would like to promote reconciliation and equip leaders and assist the poor, and care for the sick, and educate the next generation. And I said, well, there is an idea here, a three-legged stool, where business has a role, profits have a role, and faith has a role. You see, honestly, I don’t care what your motivation is for helping people, as long as you do it. It doesn’t have to be my motivation, as long as you do it.
Warren says “there’s good political motivation- There are businesses who do it for profit motivation…..We say we want to provide pharmaceuticals, make a profit, and help people. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I wish more organizations did it. I wish more people would make a profit and do good at the same time. It is not my motivation, but it is a good one. Some people do what they do because of a personal motivation. I do it because I have a savior called Jesus Christ who said love your neighbor as yourself. Now, that doesn’t have to be your motivation for me to work with you. It’s just my motivation. I am told to love my neighbor as myself. And, so I have found that faith organizations are far more willing to partner with NGOs and governments than vice versa and I am say it is not going to get done unless you get all three legs of the stool. Thank you. [Applause]
So Warren’s peace program is more than just the church doing good works to their neighbors.This is another type of "Evangelicals and Catholics Together" and it probably will not be the last.
If they do not look to the Bible to see if what they are doing is right and acceptable to God, it’s not surprising they end up united with those who oppose Jesus?
Did the true believers of the early church work with unbelievers to affect their culture? Did they work hand in hand with the Romans who had faith in their gods?
The faith that is explained in the Bible is connected to the word of truth. It is abandoned for interfaith with other cultures and religions. The Bible says we are to maintain a “separation” from the world and other religious influences and beliefs, instead the message is to have a global unity of faith[s] to accomplish good.There is one faith, one Lord not many.
As we are living in this late hour heeding what John writes in Revelation 3:2 we might “strengthen the things which remain.”