p.1 Gary Stearman-- a believer in time travelers of the bible
“Science now says that past, present, and future all exist at the same time, and that every point in three-dimensional space is equally distant from every other point. Time-space is an interwoven whole.... Atoms entangled at the quantum level could be on opposite sides of the galaxy, and still react to each other at the same instant. Thus, at a very deep level, there exists a universal connection between all things” ... (Gary Stearman, Time Travelers of the Bible, p. 444 [bold added]
Quantum theories which are often disguised mysticism seems to be finding itself into the church. Stearman’s concept of time is like “the Flash TV series on the multiverse”, it makes very little sense.
This is the now popular “block universe theory,” that our universe may be looked at as a giant four-dimensional block of space/time. This unified space/time theory contains all the things that ever happen at the same time. These time sectors are explained as locations.
Trying to enter into these philosophical ramblings as the Bible is incredulous. I expect a prophecy teacher to stick with the Bible and not the newest trend of interpretation from post modern thinkers.
Can all three sectors, past, present and future exist at the same time? We not experiencing the past, only in memory and we are we not experiencing the future, which is unknown? The past which is real is gone, already lived. The future is open because has not happened not yet
This concept does bring in the view of life being an illusion. Your birth being in the past counters any claim to exist now. In fact, if the future is now you are already dead.
A future event can be generated from our present but the past cannot be generated to be something different than what already took place; that is unless one does not believe in reality. One must deny any logical consistency to hold to this theory. We know what is now, that is our vantage point of life- reality. We remember what has become the past but we know not our future.
We can remember our own past that we lived but we cannot remember a past before we were born. Where are dinosaurs if the past is the present, how far back into the past is in our present? All of it, a snippit? Unlikely you will get an answer apart from generalities. For example looking at a star now may not exist any longer but the light generated by the star is seen because it took years to reach you.
Let’s philosophize what this all means. The past is gone and the future is doesn’t exist (yet.) But if they do exist the future is now, if “tomorrow” becomes “today”, it isn’t the future anymore, then you are not making a choice in any decision because it already took place.
Can two things that happened at different times (past and future) be happening at the same time? If our past is in our present then it is no longer our past, there is no past.
How it is possible to have the past and future at the same time with the present is not explained rationally, or logically. Do we choose which to live in? Which takes over the now, past or future? Do we have power over time.
Can you have peace and war at same time, birth and death? Mathematically 100 times 2 is 200 an answer already exists. Do we say it is only 200 when we do the multiplication?
Time is a measurement but this theory is saying there is no distinction therefore we always existed.
We are going on toward the future that is mostly unknown to us but is fully known to God. Jesus says he is the alpha and omega the beginning and the End, not our life.
The answer has nothing changing; you are not here, there is no erosion taking place on any object since there is not time. You might as we use the strange quark for you explanation of everything.
Gary Stearman is a likeable grey-bearded man who explains the Bible in stories and theories with a warm and disarming demeanor. But one needs to pay attention to his content and check the meanings from the Scripture and logic.
Derek Gilbert begins his Interview of Gary Stearman on time travel by saying “the Bible proves time travel is possible” as he interviews Stearman (who is also a host on skywatch) on his book “time travelers of the Bible how the ancient prophets shattered the time barrier.” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtX8kLkVNHw
So before we go further have the armor of God on and your discernment lit because you are about to be brought into some shiny speculation from deep space.
Gilbert interview with Gary Stearman starts by saying that he says things out of the box and has a conservative view theologically, believes the Bible is true inerrant – the word of God, yet finding things in the Bible that most people do not expect to find in the Scriptures.”
Of course when one goes to extra-biblical sources and mystical/ scientific theories you will certainly find what most do not find in the Bible. There is no telling how one will use theoretical postulations of science fiction, mystical Kabbalah along with the Bible. When one entertains and draws from extra biblical concepts and theories you are going beyond what is written which Paul warned us not to do (I Corinthians 4:6)
Gilbert also shares that Dr. Who is his favorite sci- fi show (Dr.Who is a time traveler) and with that they are off to a gigantic quantum explanation that takes one beyond Scripture.
Stearman says it is possible, “ I think people in the Bible do travel in time.”
Stating, God declares to be the master of time and tells us he created the end from the beginning citing “Isa. 46:9-10. Meaning that he started at the end point of time which for us would be the new heavens and earth and he built time back to the beginning. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, in the bible we have a time line, literally. And it has a beginning and it has an end, its finite, from our perspective and right in the middle of it is the cross of Christ”
Is this what the Bible means on this Scripture? God went backward when creating?
Actually it says the opposite. Isa. 46:10 “ Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things that are not yet done”
He can declare the end because only He knows it. Not because he created it at the end and went backwards to the beginning. God knows all that will take place and being the sovereign over the whole universe he determines his outcome according to His will. God’s knowledge is unlimited, He knows everything about us even before were created by him - before it takes place.
Isa 48:5 “ Even from the beginning I have declared it to you; Before it came to pass I proclaimed. ” There is absolutely no mention of time travel to know this. God’s knowledge is unlimited He knows everything before it takes place. He knows it and communicates to us what He wants us to know. God spoke the Word as prophecy, there is no time travel involved.
Genesis says “in the beginning God created the heavens and earth, not in the end!
His concept is an exercise in philosophical speculation, it is not by any means a Scriptural interpretation. This should become more apparent as we go on.
Stearman “and right in the middle of it is the cross of Christ which basically is the thesis.
If that’s true than we will have to wait another 2 thousand years for Jesus’ return for it was at least 4,000 years of history until the cross, (if it is 8,000 total). Time does not end when Jesus returns, there is a 1,000 years of his kingdom on earth.
Stearman says, “…that God created time in order to make redemption possible, that is overall theme of this book. But the other side of it is that there are time travelers. Like Elijah that was taken up in a fiery chariot.”
God made redemption possible because of man’s sin. Time began at the creation of the heaven and earth
Genesis tells us Adam's creation was on the sixth day. Genesis 5 states that Adam lived 130 years until the birth of Seth. God established the pattern for days and seasons by which time is known and calculated (Gen. 1:14). On the 4th day God made the sun, moon, and stars that were used to measure time. God's redemption is exhibited at certain points in history.
What is Stearman’s proof of this time traveling from the Bible, of Elijah? … “and the next time we see him is on the top of the Mount of transfiguration… Christ is transfigured and lo and behold there is Elijah. We haven’t seen him for a long time and brings us to a question, a question I asked myself a long time ago, how did he perceive the time from the moment that he left in that fiery chariot until the moment he came down on the mount…We are talking 7-800 years between these two events.”
Did Elijah time travel or was he alive all this time (as the Bible says) and was brought to the Mount along with Moses who died near a thousand years before to be present with Jesus to show what the Kingdom will be like (as Jesus told the disciples prior). The fact that there is not a hint of this concept in Scripture. What we hear is his speculative musing which brings into question that he missed the obvious.
In fact Stearman says when Elijah left in the fiery chariot “he did not transfigure into something else, that is to say… he did not die … he simply taken aloft in some kind of ship and transported forward into time we see him there we see him in the book of revelation, I believe as one of the two witnesses.”
This is not just speculation but inserting a whole new belief system not mentioned in the Bible but is often found in the new age movement.
Of course the fiery chariots have to be UFO type vehicles. Stearman is not alone in this as a university professor in the US thinks they're not from other planets at all. They're piloted by humans, but from the future. https://www.wnd.com/2020/01/professor-ufos-time-traveling-humans-future/
The Bible say both Elijah and Moses were in heaven as were all the Old Testament saints who were taken with Jesus when he emptied paradise under the earth where all the saints waited for the promise.
Moses did not time travel to the Mount, he was in heaven summoned by Jesus just as Elijah was summoned to appear. Time travel has absolutely nothing to do with it unless you introduce this speculative concept for a purpose.
He also has Moses and Elijah as the two witnesses in Revelation. There is no biblical proof that these are the two prophets in Rev.11. It could be 2 completely different men that come in the same giftings and ministry, as John did with Elijah. In fact if they were Moses and Elijah the Bible would make this clear for that would be extremely important to the Jewish people at this time in the Tribulation.
We are also told Enoch traveled to the future “Enoch walked with God, and he was basically transformed. He was metamorphosed into a glorified being. And God took him to heaven. He didn't die. But you know, when you read about the Book of Enoch, he took an amazing journey, and then he came back and recorded what he saw. And what he saw was the future of mankind .” (Gary Stearman interview Tom Horn. Transcribed from "Enoch and the Ancients with Tom Horn," Prophecy in the News broadcast, Dec. 11. 2012. http://www.prophecyinthenews.com/enoch-and-the-ancients-with-tom-horn/
There is no proof what we read as the book of Enoch is from Enoch in Noah’s day, who at the time did not write on papyrus. Did Jude quote from the book of Enoch? Jude does not reference a book by Enoch, he says he prophesied about these men Jude 14 (those Jude wrote of prior). Jude’s statement is not recorded anywhere in the Old Testament. Some point out the quotation comes from intertestamental literature (Enoch 1:9).
The Pseudepigrapha books has Enoch written during the second or first century before Jesus Christ (Ethiopic Apocalypse of Enoch). There is also a Slavonic Apocalypse which is called the second book of Enoch written later in the first century A.D. There is the Slavonic Book of Enoch 1892 AD and another written in the fifth to sixth century A.D. 1773 AD found within fragment of an Ethiopic Bible.
A Book of Enoch fragment was found among Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran (4Q201). (transcribed by J. T. Milik, amended by J. C. Greenfield; translation by J. C. Greenfield):
But are any of these the same book people read today? No they are not.
His belief system on prophecy
He says this is his personal system of belief. Moderator: “ so you have a got a lot of traveling going on there? So Stearman began to think, what is God doing with time?”
He makes this an issue how man perceives time (as linear) and how God does. He quotes Einstein as saying time doesn’t exist y’know” being clever, But mathematically time doesn’t exist.”
He and others in the spiritual speculation camp try to make this theory so profound that he thinks he is making a complex issue simple, instead he is introducing a sci-fi theory as Bible truth.
One may call this thinking outside the box but let me introduce the point that time did began at creation, not before.
time doesn’t exist : What he has just said is that God who began time with creation is not right. God spoke in Scripture of the earth rotating, having day and night: and distinguish the days naming them 1, 2, 3 etc., as he created on earth.
"But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law… " (Gal 4:4-5)
Acts 17:31 he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice.” If there is no time there is no specific day.
Time had a beginning
The Bible says there is time, 2 Tim. 1:9 who saved us and called us … which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began. ” Titus 1:2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began .”
HE who is able to see the end before he begins had called us before the world began. God, the creator of all is a being that always existed does not have time affect him – he affects time.
We read that the coming of Christ is near (Heb. 10:37; Jm. 5:8), means the future has not arrived yet. Jesus says the time is near proves that the future is not in the present (Rv.1:3)
There is a Tribulation period before Jesus returns. Are we experiencing this future in our present? Yet to believe this time collected theory, one must accept it already occurred!
God speaks of time frequently as he gave separate days of the week, as He gave the feast days that are to be celebrated at certain times of the year throughout generations. Time does exist.
On the nature of time being cyclic, he says the bible features time as both a circle and a cyclic. that is to say that when you go around a circle you have completed a spatial object once the circle is complete but if you go around again you have completed another revolution, go around again, go around again time operates cyclicly. The Jews have a extremely well developed consciousness of this fact ... example, Simcha Torah, …. a festival in the Hebrew calendar where the elders in lsrael hold up the Torah scrolls while they began to dance and sing while marching in a circle, to go round and round the circle… the circle then is a series of cycles.” (Time travelers pt.2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_ae3_arbH4
Does not the earth go in a circle in its orbit each day? Daytime/ night time, each day is separate, that is the measuring of time.
If time doesn't exist, why is it written Gen. 1:14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years.” And then he concludes this saying in v.19 the evening and the morning were the fourth day.”
The fact that we have generations proves time. Jesus spoke of a generation in the future that would see all the signs he spoke of, they will not travel in time to see this.
pt.2 Gary Stearman--Experiences of a Mystic