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Pt2 Shout at the Devil

Does Public Opinion Create Truth? There is a more pertinent question we MUST ask in the church, can Christian opinions create truth?

In the world they have created their own truth (or what they call truth, which changes) relative to the culture. But the same is taking place in the church, those who have copied the way of the world. This is where truth is to be spoken FROM the Bible. But we have “leaders” saying we must live by fresh revelation and not doctrine, and that is an attack on Jesus Christ whom they claim to serve.

This sets a dangerous precedent, The bible teaches that “my people perish without knowledge,” we are to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ. But to do this we must have accurate knowledge to be exercised in this area.

In the early church there was a saying “In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, in all things charity. When we think of charity it often means to help others (the needy). Benevolence or generosity toward others or toward humanity. In this matter the definition “Indulgence or forbearance in judging others” (American Heritage Dictionary) is applicable.

To have charity toward all, including those who are misleading others, misrepresenting the truth by what is false is something I cannot agree with, nor should you. Because the Bible does not teach this by word or by the actions of the apostles.

Peter Wagner claims to have heard a voice calling him into the leadership of territorial spirits, that God was raising up green berets (whom he names) for spiritual warfare battles.

Wagner and others believe it is the Holy Spirit telling them how to improve taking down Satan’s kingdom NOW. Why would God tell them something that goes against the word already written? That actually contradicts prophecy? Because they do not believe in the prophecies written, they believe in their own prophets that are preaching a completely different eschatology (last days).

These are appointed generals that call themselves Prophet and Apostle to lead an army and destroy the works of Satan. What apostle or prophet would blatantly go against God’s word and teach such things? Generals of warfare intercession that teach to chase down demons and destroy them? Really…

We have people threatening the Devil tell him they will chase him out of the city, that they are going bust him up, incarcerate him -- There is something wrong with this person on various levels.

Under Peter Wagner and Chuck Pierce you have a different Christianity promoted by the new apostles and prophets. When you have people who were 100% approved by Wagner (who participated in this) say they have destroyed the Devil like General Ana Mendez and her cohorts did on Mt Everest there is something very, very wrong. Because the world has become worse not better, so what did their efforts yield?

Why is this the most dangerous of all false teachings, because they are violating the warnings, and participating in Jude 9. It’s right there written for you to know who is of God and who is not.

Since we do not see the original apostles binding and loosing like they teach today, it must mean something different.

What is our authority, how do we do battle? We are not powerless against the Devil and his influences but to be victorious we must do it the way Scripture teaches, not by new revelations that go contrary to Scripture by their rhema words of new revelation. Did Jesus bind the Devil and do what you see being taught today? No. He spoke exactly what was needed from the Scripture to counter him, and he did not have to raise his voice, rant or take up a sword waving in the air like children do.

James asks “ Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members? You lust and do not have. You murder and covet and cannot obtain. You fight and war. Yet you do not have because you do not ask. You ask and do not receive, because you ask amiss, that you may spend it on your pleasures. Adulterers and adulteresses! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God ” (James 4:1-4)

Consider this… Spiritually speaking, people that want power and authority. Who want greater positions are coveting. This is the very thing Jesus rebuked of his true disciples who wanted to rule as the world does (be the greatest). He said want to be great, serve others. You see Jesus ran his spiritual living the opposite of the world.

Matt 20:21 mother of Zebedee's sons came to Jesus kneeling "Grant that these two sons of mine may sit, one on Your right hand and the other on the left, in Your kingdom."

v. 25-28 But Jesus called them to Himself and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and those who are great exercise authority over them. "Yet it shall not be so among you; but whoever desires to become great among you, let him be your servant. "And whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your slave-- "just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."

Then this was brought up again by the disciples who were to be apostles.

Luke 22:24-30 Now there was also a dispute among them, as to which of them should be considered the greatest. And He said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them, and those who exercise authority over them are called 'benefactors.' "But not so among you; on the contrary, he who is greatest among you, let him be as the younger, and he who governs as he who serves. "For who is greater, he who sits at the table, or he who serves? Is it not he who sits at the table? Yet I am among you as the One who serves. " But you are those who have continued with Me in My trials. "

It has been well said : " Generals plan the battles, but G.I.'s win the battles. " We realize that both. Generals and privates are necessary in every army - even so it is in God's great army. David that great warrior-King said, "As his part is that goeth down to battle, so shall part be that tarrieth by the stuff - they shall part (or share) alike." And so it shall be in that day when the Great King of all the earth gives His rewards. (About AncientWells.org.au)

What did Jesus say about generals? NOTHING. If they mean general knowledge, I can agree, but a General. God HAS NO GENERALS in the New Testament! God has servants who are friends, but you are no friend of God if you are introducing new revelation to the church.

As far as David, the sword never left his house and he was prevented from building the Temple.

1 Chron. 28:3 "But God said to me, 'You shall not build a house for My name, because you have been a man of war and have shed blood.'

Ps 37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth, and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

(Isa.11:4) Jesus quotes the Psalm, Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.” (Matt 5:5)

James 4:6-7 But He gives more grace. Therefore He says: "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble." Therefore submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.”

If you are not humble then you operating by pride and God is resisting your efforts. This is God’s way to protect us from the enemy.

This warring spirit against the enemy is not from God but their own fallen nature, instead of actually praying in humility they make pronouncements and decrees to the enemy (that’s not praying). They face him by chasing him down and challenging him.

Much like the sons of thunder that wanted to bring judgment, Jesus told them they know not what spirit they are of. Those who do their dance of bind and loose, proclaim, declare, decree at the devil to fight him the heavenlies do not know the first thing about spiritual warfare but they are teaching others in nations all over the world this unbiblical way. Especially those who do not speak English. They have the door open because of their claim to replace positions of the ancient apostles and prophets.

Some of their yelling would probably chase demons away for a time. Not everything in the physical realm is caused by something in a spiritual realm, from principalities and powers like the Gnostics believed. A car accident does not necessarily mean demons were involved it could mean someone was just a bad driver. But these supernaturalists will find a spiritual meaning with the Devil involved all the time.

We have victory in our spiritual warfare by standing on the truth (Eph.6). It is by knowing the word “in truth” the armor has the belt of truth surround us. It is only then that we are not moved, no “longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting (Eph. 4:14). They plot and the church rots.

The reason the church goes after teachings like these counterfeits is because they do not have their armor on. We do not take out swords and wave them in the air like Larry Lea taught, or General Mendez and Chavez did on Mt. Everest; nor thrusting it into the ground on Mt. Everest, claiming they destroyed the Devil.

Let’s look at their proclamations and what they claim they did. What they want people in the church to believe.

They claim to have chained and bound having the power of God come over the enemy, over kings principalities and rulers - failed.

Babylon the great is fallen … today says the spirit… Babylon the great prostitute, mother of ALL abominations of the earth and the fall of the Dragon- failed

They went out to cut the throat of the great beast waving a actual sword in the air saying you will know your kingdom has fallen, Satan be destroyed… I prophesy your kingdom has fallen- Failed

Satan and his beast have fallen- failed

Babylon the great harlot has been captured- failed

The great prostitute has fallen- failed

The fall of the Beast of the dragon with 7 heads who sits on the mountains and influences the nations of the earth- failed

False prophecy, false teaching: false, false; false. But people believe this to be the truth! Why?

The real spiritual warfare we contend with is when false teachings like these enters the church.

They want to cleanse the heavenlies, what really needs to be done is to cleanse the church of these false teachers that have become so popular. Then we will be preparing the bride for the groom who is coming.

In spiritual warfare according to the Bible We stand against these influences personally, the armor is for you, an individual person, not collective. That means if you are not grounded in Scripture and do not know the the difference between the truth and error that you are hearing from these teachers, you DO NOT have the armor on.

Jesus wants us to learn and speak His word, the gospel to others to be set them free. To do this we must learn his word accurately.

Paul makes it clear 1 tim 4:6 ‘ If you instruct the brethren in these things, you will be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished in the words of faith and of the good doctrine which you have carefully followed. ” The doctrine we are to follow is written by the Holy Spirit, the same spirit that lives in believers. We are told not go beyond what is written. But this movement is based upon rhema words, fresh words which they attribute to the Spirit.

The Lord Jesus and the Spirit of TRUTH can turn around those who participate in this mysticism but they need to be willing to submit to the Scriptures meaning and abandon the distortions and mystical interpretations they are being taught. That takes will power, determination of Spirit and it mostly takes faith, to agree, to trust in the Lord and His word and not these replacement apostles and prophets who call themselves generals and are leading you into spiritual destruction with them.




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