The ElijahList
The biggest distributor of false prophecies in hyperspace.
compiled by Sandy Simpson, 4/08

This is a sampling of false prophecies by many false prophets that have been distributed by ElijahList. I have been collecting ElijahList newsletters for years. The following are but a tiny fraction of the false prophecies ElijahList has sent out. Prophesy, that is predictive, is to be judged not only on whether or not the prophecy came true, but on how it depicts the character and testimony of God, and whether or not it teaches what the Bible teaches. If a Third Wave prophet happens to, on the very off chance, get a prediction right his prophecy must still be judged as to whether or not it is consistent with the law and the testimony (Is. 8:20). If it is not it is a lying prophecy, not from the Lord, but from either the delusions of his or her own mind (Jer. 14:14) or from evil (Jer. 23:10) which has it's origin from the evil one (Jas. 3:15, 1 Jn. 3:8).

Steve Schultz, head of ElijahList, states a very unbiblical premise for the prophecies he sends out to his mailing list of 100,000 plus.

First of all, I want you to notice who the prophets listed below have claimed is speaking. They ALWAYS claim to be speaking what they heard from God. If the Lord has not spoken, as they claim, then why would there be a question as to their "trustworthiness", and why would ElijahList be sending these lying messages out? The fact is that Shultz, the ElijahList, and those who read it believe that ALL those who post prophecies are true prophets/prophetesses REGARDLESS of their telling the truth or spreading lies. This idea that a prophet can be wrong when they are claiming to have heard from the Lord and still be considered a prophet of God is part of the theology of the New Apostolic Reformation or Third Wave.

The alleged messages from God to these ElijahList prophets are often colored in blue to delineate them from the black color used for regular information. This, I believe, is intended to be like the red letter text in some Bibles. It looks to me like this practice shows that they are putting prophecies on the same level as the written Word.

Another practice that is often repeated it to quote from the Old Testament, in particular from Israel taking the land of Canaan, and allegorically apply it to the Gentile Church. Promises and commands for Israel are teleported to modern times and turned into all kinds of mandates for the Church. This is what Gary Gilley of Think On These Things had called "fairy tale hermeneutics". Most of the emails from ElijahList are full of the misapplication of Old Testament Scripture. I don't have time to detail all these instances but wanted to mention this aspect of the false prophecies in order to help the reader to understand that there are many dimensions to the false prophecies and false teachings I am detailing that are not fully covered by this article.

I will continue to add to this article as I have time. Check back for updates.

2004

This has to be referring to terrorism. Terrorists have not stopped "tormenting" the US, UK, Saudi Arabia and other nations by the end of 2004 so this is a false prophecy. Kim Clement has a long history of false prophecies. It is a wonder any Christian would even give him the time of day.

False vision, false prophecy. Why? Because Jesus Christ was God at all times here on earth in His humanity. Yes, the Son was always obedient to the will of the Father, but that doesn't mean he was not God. A core doctrine of the Church is that Jesus Christ is 100% Deity and 100% man for all eternity. This teaching is the false teaching of Word of Faith that basically says that Jesus Christ was simply an anointed man who was perfectly obedient, therefore if we are obedient we can do everything He did and more. The problem is, we are not little gods like WOF teaches. We are servants and He is the Master. He is ALWAYS the One who does miraculous things, and He is the ONLY one who can do the miracles.

2005

First of all, this is false prophecy because it is based on reading omens like a pattern in the clouds or Big Ben stopping briefly. De 18:10 Let no-one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in {Or who makes his son or daughter pass through} the fire, who practises divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft Second, this contains a definite false declaration/prophecy about Islam not being able to be the guiding force over England. Islam has only increased it's influence in England since 2005. Case in point: The Archbishop of Canterbury's lecture on "Civil and Religious Law in England: a Religious Perspective" given on 2/07/08 where he says: This lecture will not attempt a detailed discussion of the nature of sharia, which would be far beyond my competence; my aim is only, as I have said, to tease out some of the broader issues around the rights of religious groups within a secular state, with a few thought about what might be entailed in crafting a just and constructive relationship between Islamic law and the statutory law of the United Kingdom. ... In conclusion, it seems that if we are to think intelligently about the relations between Islam and British law, we need a fair amount of 'deconstruction' of crude oppositions and mythologies, whether of the nature of sharia or the nature of the Enlightenment.He is basically equating Sharia law with Judeo-Christian law, thus giving his endorsement to instituting it within the laws of England. Another fact is that more Mosques than churches have been guilt in the UK since 2005. (Islam, Rome, The Antichrist, and False Prophet? by Bob Mitchell, Moriel Ministries, http://www.moriel.org/articles/sermons/islam_rome_antichrist_false_prophet.htm) In fact Muslims have been buying Christian churches and setting up Mosques in them. (http://eye-on-the-world.blogspot.com/2007/04/england-old-church-becomes-mosque.html) Britain may continue to regard itself as a Christian nation. But practicing Muslims are likely to outnumber church-attending Christians in several decades, according to a recent survey by Christian Research, a group that specializes in documenting the status of Christianity in Britain. (CLITHEROE votes to change a church to a mosque, Posted in: Islam & the Arab World— @ 8:31 am, 2/4/07) So what Chuck Pierce declared and what "God" allegedly said has not come true.

2006

There were not any sudden changes in the churches except that they have become more apostate and many churches in the southern US are now giving themselves over to the New Apostolic Reformation and the Emerging Church. So this is a prediction from the enemy, not from God. Any changes in the churches involved with people like Kim Clement do NOT "bring honor back" to the Lord.

This is not Biblical. There is no school where prophets go "from elementary to middle school". There is no such thing in the Bible. A prophet is either a true prophet who has simply heard from the Lord and delivers that message to God's people, which is 100% accurate because it is God Who has spoken, or he is a false prophet who has to learn how to prophesy by using his imagination (Eze. 13:2, Jer. 14:14) or interpreting omens (De. 18:10) and who does not speak the truth. Rick Joyner would be one of those. By the title of this fantasy Joyner proves again that he is all about new revelations that have nothing to do with the Word of God.

2007

Comment by The Berean Call: Mr. Yount declared his vision of a heavenly "jail break" was made possible not by prayer but by the blowing of a ram's horn. Yount's "prophetic words" are promoted by the Elijah List, and he is a favored speaker at New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) conferences. Mr. Yount teaches that blowing the shofar operates according to scientific and spiritual "laws" so that the physical properties of sound has a profound heavenly impact, which in turn releases favor and God's "breath" upon the earth. In contrast to Scripture or early church practice, no such tools or methods are taught in God's Word. One might also wonder why the Lord needs to rifle file cabinets in order to accomplish his will. (http://www.thebereancall.org/node/5432)

There is no such crown mentioned in the Bible. There is the crown of life (James 1:12, Rev. 2:10), the crown of righteousness (2 Tim. 4:8), the crown of glory (1 Pet. 5:4). There is also no "new and greater installment of the fruits" of the Spirit addressed in the Bible. Fruits are identified in the written Word. There is simply the evidence of the fruit of the Spirit in those who are obedient to Jesus Christ. The blessings of God are His to bestow, but serving the Lord and being under His protection may also bring Christians into trials that test their faith. Those who think that they are only walking with the Lord when they are "blessed" by Him are fooling themselves. False prophets identify blessings with money, power and influence. Many true missionaries and church planters had no worldly money, power or influence. Yet many souls were added to the Kingdom. The fact is that any "manifestations" in the Third Wave have been those that deceive and delude Christians and cause non-believers to not want become a Christian because the Truth has been brought into disrepute (2 Pet. 2:2).

Here are some commandments the followers of these false prophets have not gained a love for, therefore this is a false prophecy: Concerning those who tell lies in the name of the Lord - 1Co 5:11-13 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to JUDGE those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you." Concerning testing false prophets - 1Jo 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but TEST the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. Concerning separation from false teachers and worldly people - Re 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "Come out of her, my people, so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues. Concerning judging rightly instead of teaching people not to judge at all - John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment. Concerning avoiding those who teach false doctrines - Rom. 16:17 "Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them." Concerning rebuking those who teach or prophesy lies in the name of the Lord - Titus 1: 13 "Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith " Eph. 5:11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them " Concerning withdrawing from those who walk disorderly and do not teach sound doctrine - 2 Thes. 3:6 "Now we command you, brethren, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh DISORDERLY, and not after the tradition which ye received of us " Concerning not allowing false prophets and their TV and materials into your home - 2 John 10, 11 "If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds " Concerning rejecting heretics - Titus 3: 10 "A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject."These are some of the commandments of God that Third Wavers have yet to embrace and love.

Comment by Herescope: This statement above is an extraordinary admission! The Dominionists who are building the kingdom of God on Earth will usher in their kingdom on their white horses crying "peace, peace!" But here is an acknowledgment that the red horse of force, might and control lurks just behind the scenes. In this article the false prophets are preparing their troops for what is to come. Dominionism "Lite" always promises peace and prosperity, and a nice sounding Christian culture or government. But Dominionism "Dark," which is the only way that dominionism can truly be enforced, is always totalitarian. You can't "make" disciples or "convert" whole nations" unless you use force. This is war. (http://herescope.blogspot.com/2007/06/dominion-at-first-it-may-seem-like.html)

The date 7/7/7 was a date on which the "Spirit" was to be released all over the world, not just in Austria, according to the NAR prophets. According to other organizations on the web 7/7/7 was to be a "lucky day" on which to get married, etc. In fact it was one of the most popular wedding dates ever. Sin City probably has the most invested in the upcoming day. (http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1630320,00.html) Yet many Christians also bought into this superstition and many prophets were prophesying that great signs and wonders would happen on 7/7/7. Yet if you check the news of that day, nothing significant happened other than people organizing events around superstition, Eva Longoria hiding her tattoo under makeup for her wedding (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=7&entry_id=25059), more political unrest, and the regular items in the news. As usual, with regards to other "prophetic" dates, nothing significant happened. Read "The New Apostles & Prophets & Superstition" for more information on this numerology type stuff.

This has not come true. Not one shred of medical proof has been offered for any alleged miracles of blind people receiving sight. Could it be because the "apostles and prophets" of this movement are false ones?

First of all there are no foundation apostles today, therefore no apostolic government. Second, where in the Bible was God concerned in a "speedier multiplication of profits"? Everything belongs to God. He can supply what His Church needs. His focus is not on money, nor should ours be. God would not declare something that is against His admonition to be careful of the love of money which is the root of all kinds of evil (1 Tim. 6:10). Third, we have not seen many CEO's changing their strategies of financial growth in order to grow the true church, only the apostate Third Wave ones. The American economy has been in a decline since 2007 and, in fact, any new "entrepreneurial fire" has been coming increasingly from outside the US.

God is not going to save whole continents and nations, certainly not through these false prophets. The only societal transformation will happen when Christ returns to rule and judge the earth in the Millennial Kingdom. Till then we struggle against spiritual principalities and powers (Eph. 6:12) who have the rule over the earth (John 14:30, Eph. 2:2). All of Asia will not be saved, only individuals in Asia who understand the Gospel message through the conviction of the Holy Spirit, repent and believe. The earth will not be saved. Few will find the narrow way (Matt. 7:14). This Dominionism is simply a setup for the Antichrist who will claim to be saving the planet and bringing peace (Dan. 9:27). Be careful of the false prophetesses who cry "Peace, peace" where there is no peace (Jer. 6:14)!

God is not in the "domain" business. That word is not used in the Bible except in the case of the land that had been given to Gad (De. 33:20). Gentile Christians are not here to take over land, or even areas of the world. We are to preach the Gospel and disciple all nations, not take dominion over areas of the world. That is a type of Christian fascism called Dominionism and is entirely unbiblical. If God is not establishing domains for Christians then how can they "release it to those who are in need"? One cannot "release" a domain unless they are talking about selling land. If this is talking about a spiritual domain, in other words (from their false teachings) some kind of "anointing" then that is patently unbiblical as well. Christians cannot release Divine anointings through slain in the spirit, etc. God does His will in the supernatural. Our mandate has not changed, nor are we to assume we can know what God knows. John Meyer is very critical of anyone who disagrees with what the New "apostles" are doing. They are called "The Scoffing and Mocking Spirit". This is exactly the theme of the Toronto Blessing, Brownsville, Benny Hinn and many other Third Wavers. If you disagree with them then you are mocking the Lord and His work. This kind of accusation is patently absurd, but stems from the fact that they believe they are the only truly "anointed" of the Lord. In fact, by virtue of their disobedience to God's Word they prove that they are the very thing they are railing against.

I checked with the USGS (http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/eqlists/eqstats.html#table_us) and there have been 13 earthquakes from 2007-2008 above a magnitude of 6.0. All in all there have been 3624 recorded earthquakes in that time period (so far). Which three were Clement and Galloway addressing? Oops. I forgot. It was the "Lord of hosts" who gave this information. Also, since this is talking about literal signs in the earth, there was no fire consuming religion, witchcraft or synagogues of Satan.

God has never sent an angel like Gabriel to announce rain to a particular region of the earth. He did not even send an angel to announce that rain would return to Israel when Elijah prayed for rain. God does not send angels for trivial things. He sent Gabriel to announce the birth of His Son. That is an occasion for angels to be sent, not because the land needs rain and there happens to be a storm with the "feminine form of Gabriel" on the way. Also God does not come in the form of a typhoon. We do not worship a pantheistic god like these false prophets. 1Ki 19:11 The LORD said, "Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the LORD, for the LORD is about to pass by." Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. The large amounts of rain to that area may have been a blessing, but these kinds of false prophecies are a curse.

This is not prophecy because it is based on things already in the news. It is also false because America is not free from the oil crisis, in fact it is only getting worse in the six months since it was given. There are alternative fuels but none have become widespread and are unlikely to as those who trade in oil and transportation are will not allow alternative sources of energy a real chance of succeeding unless they are cut in on the profits. Furthermore no "scroll has been opened" in heaven. That happens during the Tribulation, not now.

Wow. How wrong could he be! To this day secular American TV gets more deviant as it goes and American Christian TV has brought the truth into disrepute all over the world. California has not been a witness for the Lord but is full of blasphemies and markets deviant behavior to the entire planet.

Nothing of significance happened on 11/11/07 that will be remembered. Check the NYTimes and other resources if you do not believe me: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02E0D71439F932A25752C1A9619C8B63&scp=2&sq=&st=nyt

A well known false prophet and false teacher in Lagos is T.B. Joshua. Yet many Third Wavers believe he is a true man of God. Read the following information about T.B. Joshua here and order the Kerugma expose on him here. So there has been no exposure of people like T.B. Joshua other than what has been going on all along, and certainly not among the apostate Third Wave groups.

Matt. 24:24-28 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. See, I have told you ahead of time. "So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

(1) There is no "new anointing in the marketplace" in the Bible. This is a false unbiblical anointing. (2) Notice that this "acceleration" is not to prepare for His coming. The goal, though not categorically stated here, is to take over the world and set up God's Kingdom now! This shows that those who teach and prophesy this idea are no longer waiting for the coming of Christ or interested in preaching the Gospel to prepare the world for His coming, but are spending all their time trying to "shift the atmosphere" of the world in order to save the planet. (3) This idea that God is speeding up the Church and Christians so that the enemy will only see them as a "blur" is dangerous false teaching. We are to put on the armor of God (Eph. 6:11-18) and stand against the attacks of the enemy (Eph. 6:11) which will continue until he is chained in the Abyss. Today he is roaming about as a hungry lion seeking whom he may devour (1 Pet. 5:8 - spoken to Christians!). We have victory in Christ but that does not mean the battle does not continue, nor does it meant Satan will not be able to attack Christians. If he attacked Paul he can attack us (2 Cor. 12:7). We have to be on our guard (1 Cor. 16:13) not assuming the enemy will not attack. When we are not alert (1 Thes. 5:6) then that is most often when He attacks (Mr. 13:22-23). (4) Christians are not to come under some new apostolic government in the Church, nor are they to "shift the atmosphere" around them. That is New Age speak. Notice what New Age sites teach: Incense is a tool used to help shift the atmosphere, direct our attention and aid us in imagery. Of course incense can be purely aromatic but sacred reasons are usually why people start making their own incense recipes. For hundreds of years our ancestors used herbs and resins as offerings to the Deities and Spirits of the universe. They also used them for imagery, watching their prayers rising to the sky. To make your own you are connecting with a long lived tradition of prayer and reconnecting yourself to the natural world around us. Each plant hums its own vibration, by tuning into this we tap more energy into our rituals and spells. We use incense to honor, carry prayers, awaken spirits, clear sacred space, bless, curse and add to the atmosphere of our home. (http://spiralsoflight.net/page9.html) "Now it's time to shift the atmosphere of the room. Take a squeaker and blow it noisily around the room (this sound frivolous but it really moves the energy, bringing renewal.) (The Smudging and Blessings Book: Inspirational Rituals to Cleanse and Heal by Jane Alexander, pg. 53) Sounds like blowing a shofar around a church to "shift the atmosphere" which is being done in many churches today.

There are so many false statements in the above prophecy, and more I could have listed. (1) Jehoash was given the arrows by Elisha and told to strike the ground (2 Kings 13:14-19). This is not something you can magically apply to the present Church. Yet Clement is telling people to strike the ground literally. How do I know this? Because this is the type of stuff they do in Third Wave services which is where this "prophecy" was taken from. (2) Nothing like this happened in the streets of Jerusalem unless a few Christians went out and shouted something which did not garner ANY media attention. Jews certainly did not shout Jesus' name. (3) Jesus Christ did not and will not appear on "national television". This is akin to Benny Hinn prophesying that Jesus Christ would physically appear in his crusades. (4) Larry King has not become a believer. You would think he would be by now having interviewed many Christians. But then he has also interviewed many heretics on his show which would not help. (5) Larry has had many loons on his show claiming they went ot heaven. This is not prophecy. (6) For those of you who have watched "Expelled" by Ben Stein you know that "the Kingdom" (Christianity) has not affected science but rather Darwin. The economy has not improved, and politics in 2008 is one of the messiest political seasons ever. If there has been any "turnaround" in the US it is a turning back to paganism, racism, and existentialism (relativism).

(1) Portland and the Northwest USA have seen a rise in the apostate Third Wave, Latter Rain churches, not the true Church. Many otherwise good churches have been infiltrated and ruined with false prophets, false apostles and false anointings. (2) Case in point: there is no "Joseph anointing". There is only one Anointing from the Anointed One, Jesus Christ (1 John 2:20, 27, 2 Cor. 1:21). There is also no "anointing of peacemaker" in the Bible. (3) The three cities mentioned are not the "triune counsel of God's heart". God holds counsel within Himself (Job 12:13) the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The cities mentioned are cities with many problems including crime. Crime is always a good indicator of any alleged change in a city. 2006 statistics show that Boise, Portland and Seattle are above the national average in a number of crimes. Is "Triune counsel" exemplified by the higher than national average of crime in those cities?

(http://boise.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Boise&s1=ID&c2=portland&s2=OR, http://boise.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Boise&s1=ID&c2=Seattle&s2=WA)

The 2007 rankings do not paint a prettier picture. (http://www.cqpress.com/product/City-Crime-Rankings-14th-Edition.html) Since I lived in that area (for over 15 years) I have personally observed the degradation of many churches into New Apostolic, Word of Faith, Emerging Church and other heresies. (4) There is no mandate in the Bible for believers to take over "seats of national authority", "city seats" or "governmental positions". This kind of teaching/prophecy is ruining indigenous people with false ideas that puff them up, just as they have already puffed up many Westerners. We will rule and judge with Christ in the Millennium but not now. This is false teaching, therefore it is false prophecy. (5) There is no need for an "apostolic role of reconciliation". All true believers are reconciled through Christ (Col. 1:22) and we are all to preach the Gospel of reconciliation (2 Cor. 5:19), but once sins are forgiven they are considered by God to be wiped out (Acts 3:19) and removed eternally from us in Christ (Ps. 103:12, Heb. 9:28).

(1) There have been no unusual manifestations of fire and wind in Africa in 2008. Any fires or winds are natural or manmade occurrences, not a special blessing from God. (2) The angel (note that it is angels not one angel) who come to gather the saints from the four winds (every part of the earth) have not done so yet. The Rapture has not happened yet nor has Jesus Christ returned. Mr 13:27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens. This false prophecy is obviously from a person who is a Dominionist and believes in Kingdom Now theology.

Bob Jones is a holdover from the Kansas City Prophets. He has made some of the most ridiculous and ludicrous prophecies ever in the Third Wave. "... Bob Jones was one of the infamous Kansas City Prophets who was scandalized for using his so-called prophetic gift as a ruse to get women to disrobe for his amusement. (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/newprophetssuperstition.html)When Bob Jones, the Kansas City prophet, (who was temporarily sidelined for using prophecy for sexual advantage) and others, can only boast of being 30% accurate, doesn't this suggest that there is an integrity problem? (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/ditc62.html) When prophet Bob Jones declared that his hands turn purple at the approach of witchcraft, or golden due to intercession going up before the throne of God, then he has no reference point in the Bible. We are faced with the simple decision to either believe him or not. Without verification from God's own Word, to take Jones' claims at face value amounts to willing self-deception. (http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/charismaticultism.html) (Rick) Joyner teamed with the highly acclaimed prophet, Bob Jones, during a New Years Eve service, December 31, 1997. In a tape, which is no longer available on Joyner's website, Jones predicts a number of natural calamities which would occur in 9 months time; such as California splitting apart and sinking into the sea; the breaking of the Hoover Dam; the Great Lakes dumping into the Mississippi becoming 35 miles wide and other calamities in major cities. Jones summed up things by saying: "If I lived in LA I'd get out." After Jones finishes his prophetic ramblings, prophet Joyner prophetically endorses this revelation." [Tape of the month, prepared and transcribed from the tape of the month by Josiah Friborg now found at http://www.creativityplus.com/carney, prop98dl.htm] In a Morning Star journal, Joyner states: "Our ultimate goal is to accurately write the news before it happens ... we are still growing in this area". [Letter from Rick, Morningstar journal Vol. 9 #1, 1999, pg. 1 ] That appears to be a major understatement! From Bill Randles "Weighed and Found Wanting" book we read: One unforgettable episode that Jones recounts is how he received a visit from an angelic guide name "Dominus." "Dominus" eventually turned out to be the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, according to Jones. Jones tells how, in an out of body experience, he and Dominus sat above the KCF "in the Spirit," on rocking chairs, holding hands. To confirm Jones' "ministry" to Mike Bickle and his brother in law and associate pastor Bob Scott, Dominus revealed to Jones that he would visit the two men in their dreams. Each man subsequently had a dream in which a friend they knew named "Don" appeared (two separate Don's). When they asked Jones why Don appeared and not Jesus, Jones impatiently replied, You guys are never going to learn the language of the Spirit, are you?...Jesus appears in thousands of different faces to portray something. He was trying to say, "I'm your friend, I am your familiar friend and I'm going to show you all things so you can move in the power of the Spirit."["Visions and Revelations" Audio Tape Transcript. Page 60.] To be honest with you, I think this was a combination of the working of a powerful familiar spirit and incredible naiveté. Bickle would later say of Jones, "He should have had a backstage ministry." ["Resolving the Kansas City Prophets Controversy."] "Familiar" friend? Sounds like Bob Jones is a medium, whom Christians are to avoid (Lev. 19:31, 20.6). I could go on and on about the false prophecies of Bob Jones and associates. There is no such thing as an "accelerated mode of training" for young people to become prophets in the Bible. Those who would serve the Lord, such as Timothy, were to study to show themselves approved workmen (2 Tim. 2:15). The Latter Rain/Third Wave is laying hands on millions of young people, "prophesying" over them and usins slain in the spirit, proclaiming that they are instantly "prophets" and "apostles". This is rank heresy. It is frankly a cult where young "minds full of mush" are being cooped into a movement with false promises and a false anointing. The prophetic movement is now the New Apostolic Reformation or "second apostolic reformation" as C. Peter Wagner calls it.

Sorry but this is not in the Bible, it is New Age nysticism. Vibration is a New Age word. Bridging Heaven & Earth, a New Age foundation, states this as their objective on their web site: Bridging Heaven & Earth, an international spiritual talk show, produced by The Bridging Heaven & Earth Foundation focuses on opening the heart; bridging the spiritual and the physical, the human and the divine, heaven and earth within each one and the Oneness in all Life. ... The energy of that opportunity, especially when all the hundreds and hundreds of amazing and powerful and inspiring and empowering guests feature that availability of their own show and Bridging as a whole on their individual sites, will exponentially amplify and enliven and magnify the vibration of Truth, of Oneness, of Love. ... The intention of the International Bridging Heaven & Earth Art Project is to spread/enliven the vibration of Love and Oneness--that is the Heart of the  Project...... (http://www.heaventoearth.com/home.html) Godwriting, another New Age web site teaching automatic writing, says this: The Godwriting ™ International Society of Heaven was founded in order to share God's new messages with everyone who wants to hear them. It is our understanding that the circulation of God’s words, the love and wisdom via Heavenletters™ and the practice of Godwriting ™ will lift the vibration of the world. (http://www.heavenletters.org/) Also, if is claiming any current "physical change in the atmosphere (which would literally mean the weather, but she means some kind of "spiritual" atmosphere) then the facts are that there has been no change, in fact the days are evil (Eph. 5:16). None of what she has "seen" is Biblical.

A lot to deal with here. I have great sympathy for the plight of the American Indian and the factors that have led to many problems because of past exploitation. But this does not mean that God "heard the prayers" of Godless heathen. Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull may have been praying but certainly not to YHWH. They would have been praying to the false gods of the Indians including the "Great Spirit". As a boy, Crazy Horse loved to listen to the teachings of the Lakota religion. His father was a holy man of the tribe -- a medicine man. He taught the boy to honor all things, because all things had a life of their own. Not only people and animals had spirits, he said, but trees and rivers, as well. Above all was the Great Spirit. (http://www.voanews.com/specialenglish/archive/2006-11/2006-11-12-voa1.cfm) This is pantheism and animism, the false religion of most of the world. Sitting Bull was also not "apostolic and prophetic", certainly not of God. He worshipped the false gods of the Indians. Quotes from Chief Sitting Bull:
I am here by the will of the Great Spirit, and by his will I am chief. ... Each man is good in the sight of the Great Spirit. ... (http://www.powersource.com/gallery/people/sittbull.html) Each man is sinful in the sight of YHWH (Jer. 17:9). Sitting Bull summoned the Lakota, Cheyenne and Arapaho to his camp on Rosebud Creek in Montana Territory. There he led them in the sun dance ritual, offering prayers to Wakan Tanka, their Great Spirit, and slashing his arms one hundred times as a sign of sacrifice. (http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/s_z/sittingbull.htm) Wakan Tanka is not YHWH. The dances of pagans to their gods are often signified by arm slashing (1 Kings 18:28). For more information why the Great Spirit is not God read our WCGIP section. They were certainly not making "apostolic prophetic declarations". When Chad is speaking of KNEE he is talking about the place Wonded Knee. That is not a place of prayer and devotion to the true God but to false gods. How can American Indians, who have not been saved, be restored to their "rightful position of prayer and authority for this nation"? A troubling aspect to this prophecy is the mention of the "Bright and Morning Star" to be seen in 2008. Is this a predicion of the coming of Christ? If so then Christians are not to predict the time of Christ's return (Mr. 13:32) but watch for the signs of the times (Mt. 16:3). Of course the Bible calls Lucifer the "morning star" (Is. 14:12) and then later Jesus Christ is called the "bright morning star" (Rev. 22:16). Let us hope the AntiChrist will not be coming in 2008. There has been no real breaking the cycle of curse for the First Nation's peoples. In fact the "temptation to wealth" has caused Indian-financed casinos to pop up in virtually every place in the nation. Last time I was on a driving trip through 23 States of the US I noted that almost every 20 miles there is an Indian casino along the major highways. The exploitation of First Nations peoples was not the cause of greed among the American Indian tribes, which has also not turned out very well for them since they are now being exploited by organized crime and their people are getting hooked on gambling. The reason for their problems is that most do not know the Lord, and they have false believers like those of the WCGIP telling them they already knew Him.

First of all there are no "prayer bowls" mentioned in the Bible. The bowls in Revelation are God's wrath of judgment on the unrepentant (Rev. 15:7). Second, there is no "acceleration" mentioned in Rev. 8:3. The censer presented by the angel is not a bowl but incense, part of which is the prayers of the saints. But there is no mention of those prayers being of "acceleration" unless you are making an argument from silence. Thirdly, the intercession of Jesus in Heb. 7:25 is mentioned in the context of Him living to intercede for us as His sacrifice, once for all for sin, has already been made. It mentions nothing about Jesus interceding for "the release of national revival". Therefore, since this is claimed to be a word "heard" from God this is clearly a false prophesy. God does not make false analogies regarding His Word.

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"Feeling" that God is saying something is no way to hear from God. First of all the story of the 300 and Gideon is a histrorical story that will not be literally repeated again. Second, notice that false teachers and false prophets love to gather in the "high places". This should tip any true believer off that this is not an event instituted by God. God denounced the high places being used as places of worship over and over again (1 Kings, 2 Kings, Ps. 78:58, Hos. 10:8) When God comes He will tread down the high places (Mic. 1:3). Third, the revival of Israel will happen in the Tribulation (Rev. 7:2-8), not before it. Yes some will be saved but no great revival will happen according to the written Word.

You don't learn more truth by digging "deep into" God's "presence". They should have stuck with digging deep into the Word, but as it is with all Gnostic heretics they have to add to the revelation of Jesus Christ, the Apostles and prophets "new" revelations. From my observation, the deeper they go into slain in the spirit and Gnostic mysticism and divination, the further they get from any true revelation and power, and certainly from understanding God and His ways. The sad fact is that false prophets, false apostles and false teachers will NEVER know the power of God, the character of God, the miracles of God, and the revelation of God's Word unless they repent, believe in and obey the Jesus Christ of the Bible

Imagine breaking out of God's "old familiar wineskins"! What audacity to even suggest that God is the cause of Christians being lukewarm. In any case, the picture of the old and new wineskins in the Bible is a response to people who commented on why the disciples of John were fasting but the disciples of Jesus were not. Mark 2:19-22 Jesus answered, "How can the guests of the bridegroom fast while he is with them? They cannot, so long as they have him with them. But the time will come when the bridegroom will be taken from them, and on that day they will fast. "No-one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. If he does, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse. And no-one pours new wine into old wineskins. If he does, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, he pours new wine into new wineskins." You will notice that it has nothing to do with any scenario in this modern time of "fresh strategies and fresh impartations". In fact now is technically the time of fasting and prayer Jesus spoke of after He would be taken physically from this world.

I suppose it can be posited that God was in a "creative mood" when He created this universe. Yet the Bible says nothing about God being in a creative mood, even while creating the universe. Does God have moods? How can He when He is unchanging (Heb. 1:10-12; 13:8)?

I have to confess, after all the false prophecies of Kim Clement I do wish he would "be quiet". I was incredulous when I read this "prophecy". It is always interesting to me that the "prophecies" of these false prophets always condemn them. Since Clement's words have ben proven to be false, then he himself has said where they come from. It truth is the "evidence" of true prophets then Clement has been proven over and over again to be a false prophet.

The rewards to the seven church and Christians who overcome are not earthly rewards but ultimately rewards in heaven after we go to be with Him. Cases in point: Rev. 2:7 ... I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God. Rev. 2:1 ... He who overcomes will not be hurt at all by the second death. Rev. 3:12 Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. ... Rev. 3:21 I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I overcame and sat down with my Father on his throne. The "hidden manna" is not "revelation". JFB Commentary comments: the hidden manna—the heavenly food of Israel, in contrast to the idol-meats (#Re 2:14). A pot of manna was laid up in the holy place "before the testimony." The allusion is here to this: probably also to the Lord’s discourse (#Joh 6:31-35). Translate, "the manna which is hidden." As the manna hidden in the sanctuary was by divine power preserved from corruption, so Christ in His incorruptible body has passed into the heavens, and is hidden there until the time of His appearing. Christ Himself is the manna "hidden" from the world, but revealed to the believer, so that he has already a foretaste of His preciousness. Compare as to Christ’s own hidden food on earth, #Joh 4:32,34, and #Job 23:12. The full manifestation shall be at His coming. Believers are now hidden, even as their meat is hidden. As the manna in the sanctuary, unlike the other manna, was incorruptible, so the spiritual feast offered to all who reject the world’s dainties for Christ is everlasting: an incorruptible body and life for ever in Christ at the resurrection. Barnes NT Notes says: Will I give to eat of the hidden manna. The true spiritual food; the food that nourishes the soul. The idea is, that the souls of those who "overcame," or who gained the victory in their conflict with sin, and in the persecutions and trials of the world, would be permitted to partake of that spiritual food which is laid up for the people of God, and by which they will be nourished for ever. Also, the treasure in heaven is not referring to material wealth and prosperity, but doing the works that God has ordained us to do in order to receive a reward in heaven after we go to be with Him (1 Tim. 6:19, Luke 12:33, Rev. 22:12). Based on these two unbiblical statements, this message cannot be from the Lord.

Sounds good, but is this prophecy "aligned" with what God has commanded us to do and not do? Here again we have an example of looking at natural occurrences in the world for omens. We are not to look for omens (De 18:10). We have the finished revelation (1 Cor. 4:6) of God's Word as our foundation (2 Cor. 2:16-17). Why? Because His Word is living and active (Heb. 4:12). The Holy Spirit speaks to true believers through His Word which is the Law and the Testimony (Is. 8:20) as written by Holy Spirit inspiration by the prophets, Apostles, and God Himself (1 Cor. 2:13, Rom. 15:4). We don't need omens from false prophets who are always looking for some way to come up with another "prophecy".

Notice the working in of the four elements used in the occult. This is a regular theme of false prophets.

This prophecy is a reiteration of the ideas laid down by C. Peter Wagner and Ed Silvoso and lays the basis for the "Tranformations" theology of the New Apostolic Reformation as detailed by people like George Otis, Jr. in his "Transformations" video series. The only problem is that, at it's core, it is built on twisting Scripture. If we look at the context of Luke 4:42-44 we find out that Jesus Christ was ministering to "people", not whole cities. Luke 4:42 At daybreak Jesus went out to a solitary place. The people were looking for him and when they came to where he was, they tried to keep him from leaving them. You cannot minister to a city without ministering to people. We as Christians are not called to win cities and nations for Christ. We are called to preach the Gospel to people everywhere. Lu 20:1 One day as he was teaching the people in the temple courts and preaching the gospel, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, together with the elders, came up to him. 2Co 9:13 Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. Rom. 10:13-15 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." {Joel 2:32} How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" {Isaiah 52:7} People are to share the Good News with people, not cities or nations that do not have a body, soul or spirit. This false idea of "win the world one city at a time" then is used to claim that "the Heaven's open and entire cities" will be "filled with joy". There is no reference about Philip having the "Heaven's opened" for him in the Bible. The "treasure" that Isaiah is talking about in Isa. 42:6-7 is a prophecy about Jesus Christ ministering to and setting free people, not cities and nations. Is. 45:1-3 is a prophecy about Cyrus (who, by the way, was prophesied by Isaiah, a true prophet, by name over 150 years before he was born!) in being God's instrument to free the Jews from the Babylonians and commission the temple to be rebuilt in Jerusalem. It has nothing to do with the Gentile Church. This is another in a long list of examples of verses being pulled from their context by false prophets and employed to suit their ends.

This is a reference to the "double portion anointing" that is so frequently espoused by Third Wave false teachers like Benny Hinn. Do you know when that happened? That happened days before the anointing on my life doubled. Literally! The ministries anointing doubled after that." (Honolulu Hawaii, Feb. 28, 1997 evening service). In 1991, Benny Hinn commissioned Rodney Howard-Browne to be the ‘laughter dispenser' in the so-called new wave of the Holy Spirit: ``Rodney, God has given you a great anointing for this. Let the holy laughter hit them in Jesus' mighty name...it's coming [zaps him].... Pick him up. Now release it on the people, Rodney!" Rodney replies: ``Be filled right now. In the name of Jesus, I command you to laugh right now. I loose the joy of the Lord right now. In the name of Jesus, let it bubble out of your belly right now in Jesus' name. Let the joy of the Lord bubble out of your belly. Lord make everybody drunk in the Holy Ghost. Make everybody drunk in the Holy Ghost. In the name of Jesus [repeated 10 times]....Double dose!" [Pushes people over, weird tongues with no interpretation, etc.] Mike Oppenheimer of Let Us Reason Ministries comments on the "double portion anointing": NOWHERE in the New Testament do we read of the anointing being transmitted from one person to another person by the laying on of hands. It was never by or from but through the laying on of hands (Acts 19). The apostles did not preach about receiving the anointing by their hands or ministry. Nor do we read of there being a “double-portion” anointing, or triple as Benny Hinn claims. What about Elisha, didn't he ask for a double portion of Elijah's spirit? He did not ask for a double portion of his anointing. These are two different words in the Hebrew. (http://www.letusreason.org/Pent2.htm) This is a false prophecy because it is based on a false teaching.

The Bible says nothing about God having "favorite colors". God created all the colors, seen and unseen. On that basis we can assume that all colors created by God, which He called "very good", are His favorites (Gen. 1:31). This vision makes this false prophet sound like he has inside information about God not revealed in Scripture. That is classic Gnosticism.

There is no mention here of God's written Word, the Bible. There is also no mention of the Word incarnate, Jesus Christ. How can a person "share the intimate details of His heart" if they do not dig deep into the Word of God and obey it? How can they "feel what He feels" if they do not really know Him as He is revealed to us in the ultimate revelation, the Bible? This is simply mysticism without truth.

To date not one true documented case of Divine healing has been presented to the public coming from any Third Wave meetings. Every time the media has investigated people like Benny Hinn and others they have not been able to produce documented true Divine healings. In fact people go away with promises of healing but they are still not healed, and some have even died because of false promises being made by the false "faith healers". So certainly no "hard cases" will be healed either. Hard cases are routinely turned away at Third Wave meetings. "Healings" being attributed to God are not Divine healings because they do not meet Biblical criteria. Most if not all faith healers end up going to the regular medical establishment for healing rather then healing themselves or seeking out another faith healer. Many faith healers have died of the same afflictions they claim to be able to heal. God does heal people today, but as Christians we are admonished to bring sick people to the Church elders and have them pray for them. God may or may not heal as healing is NOT guaranteed in the Atonement. We leave everything up to the Lord praying "Thy will be done". When we obey the Lord and His Word then we can see many Divine healings take place, which is what I have seen in my lifetime. Those who expect healing at the hands of false Third Wave prophets will NEVER experience true Divine healing unless they repent and turn. I feel sorry for them.

God "bellowing"? That sounds very irreverent, perhaps even blasphemous. How can God be decreeing an end to divination and enchanting when this is the stock and trade of false prophets like Kim Clement? This prophecy is typical in that it talks about God as "energy", "new energy" and a "new source of energy". This is teaching people to think of God as a pantheistic "force". It is good to have times of refreshing and revival from the Lord. But the true zeal for the Lord comes from a deep commitment to obey Him, not from outside in via false impartations. This is why the New Apostolic Reformation is so unable to reform anyone.

No they were not. "I Write The Songs" was performed by Barry Manilow but actually written by a Bruce Johnston. Bruce was driving on the San Diego Freeway, working his way up the steep incline toward Mullholland Drive, when he got the idea for "I Write the Songs." He took the next offramp and returned home so he could work out the tune on the piano, and made a cassette of his new tune. He submitted it to a Japanese song festival, but it was rejected as being unsuitable. (http://www.superseventies.com/sw_iwritethesongs.html) It is actually about some kind of energy or force that allegedly "writes music" though people. It represents the popular pantheistic worldview of Eastern mysticism. The title has been misunderstood to mean that the singer (or songwriter) "writes the songs," but the actual songwriter, The Beach Boys' Bruce Johnston, has stated that the "I" in the song is "music." He went on to say that songs come from the spirit of music in all of us: "I am music, and I write the songs." He also stated in several interviews that this song had been written as an homage to Brian Wilson, the "genius" who has written the best music of The Beach Boys. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Write_the_Songs) "Killing Me Softly" is a 1971 song composed by Charles Fox and Norman Gimbel. The song was inspired by a poem by Lori Lieberman, "Killing Me Softly with His Blues", which she wrote after seeing a then-unknown Don McLean perform the song "Empty Chairs" live. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_Me_Softly_with_His_Song) Neither of these songs have anything to do with God and were not written about God as evidenced by the comments of the writers themselves.

Here again we see the same Latter Rain themes. Yet there is nowhere in the Bible where Christians are to "legislate from Heaven". That is God's purview. Yes we are seated with Him in the heavenlies, meaning that Jesus is our Advocate with the Father and therefore we have our requests heard before Him. But we do not command or legislate anything. We don't need "global war generals" we need committed Christians who are willing to witness and speak the truth in this time of lies. There is no "shifting in the government of God" only a shifting in the "second apostolic age". There is always a shifting and jostling in the NAR because they have gone beyond what is written. 1Co 4:6 Now, brothers, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not take pride in one man over against another. Finally, the theme of a "great revival" in our time is reiterated. There will be no great revival in our end time, and those who promote this are deceivers. There will be a falling away, an apostasy, which is where we are at now. 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; There will be what amounts to a great revival during the Tribulation when the remnant of the Jews come to believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah. But before the Tribulation there will be a falling away. Of course, when the Gospel is preached in truth, some will believe. But that will not be a large group. Few will find the narrow way. Mt 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Love without understanding and truth is useless. 1Co 13:6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. If a person claims to love God they will obey His commands. Joh 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command. One of the commands for those who claim to love the Lord is to get away from false teachers and false prophets. Ro 16:17 I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them. Those who falsely prophesy know nothing of maturity in the Faith. That is because they do not know or understand the Biblical definition of maturity. Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. Those who are mature practice discernment. Solid food is eaten by digging deep into the Word of God to learn what God wants us to know, not hanging on every word out of the mouths of false prophets. Eph. 4:13-14 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fulness of Christ. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. The craftiness of scheming of the New Apostolic Reformation "prophets" is clear. They would turn Christians aside by lofty words into the false doctrines of Dominionism ("Kingdom power"), Word of Faith, Latter Rain, Emerging Church and a whole host of other ways to shipwreck their faith, if they ever had any to begin with.

For the leadership of the New Apostolic, of which Chuck Pierce is at the top, there are always new things, new anointings, new revelation. Everything has to be "new" in order to titillate and motivate those in the movement. There always has to be a new surprise around every corner. The old is bad, the new is good. Now unbelievers will be drawn to the Light in us, according to Pierce, not the proclamation of the Gospel message, which is part of the "old method". The new method is all about feelings and emotions. The problem with people being drawn to Christianity by hype is that it does not last. There has to be a real decision made because of the evidence presented from the written Word. When a person realizes they are a sinner before a Holy God and they repent then emotions of sorrow and regret come into play. But if a person goes to a church and is invited to come up front to get the transferable "anointing" without really believing and having a change of heart and mind, then no amount of emotion or new methodology will do them any good.

The mark of a false prophet in the Bible is one who almost always predicts good things. Jer 23:17 They keep saying to those who despise me, ‘The LORD says: You will have peace.’ And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts they say, ‘No harm will come to you. Eze 13:10 "‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, "Peace," when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash. These kinds of "prophecies" are what the people want. Isa 30:10 They say to the seers, "See no more visions!" and to the prophets, "Give us no more visions of what is right! Tell us pleasant things, prophesy illusions. Jer 5:31 The prophets prophesy lies, the priests rule by their own authority, and my people love it this way. But what will you do in the end? They almost always say "I had a dream". Jer 23:25 "I have heard what the prophets say who prophesy lies in my name. They say, ‘I had a dream! I had a dream!’ Now God, according to Pierce, will allegedly be giving visions during "power naps". He himself had a vision of the emotions of "God's people". Just what form did "emotions" take in his dream I have to wonder? Chuck says "just jump in the river", the overworked phrase of those in the Third Wave who want Christians to get involved in their spiritual debauchery. Everything is always leading up to another level when the Bible says nothing about levels. According to Chuck this is all happening because the enemy is allegedly "blocking feelings" in them. I have seen no evidence of "blocked feelings" in their meetings, in fact the opposite. If anything the enemy is getting them to think they have power by overwhelming their feelings so they will not use the minds God gave them to be able to discern truth from error. 2Co 4:4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Eph. 4:22-24 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. Interesting how often false prophets speak judgment upon themselves without even knowing it. The enemy surely is "manipulating their emotions".

Interestingly Bill Hamon, a member of the International Coalition of Apostles headed by C. Peter Wagner, is giving a different picture than Wagner. Dr. C. Peter Wagner wrote in "Kingdom Philanthropy" (posted on Elijah List, June 20, 2006). "We now live in the Second Apostolic Age in which the Biblical government of the Church has come alive once again. The Holy Spirit has begun speaking to the churches about taking dominion of God's creation as God originally intended us to do. Our 20th Century goal of saving souls and multiplying churches has been expanded to aim for nothing less than transforming our society." But Hamon claims we are in the Third Apostolic Reformation. I think they need to get their stories straight, especially if they are saying they got this information from the Lord. If the Second Apostolic Reformation was the Reformation itself then it could not be what we are living in today. The fact is that neither the Reformation nor the present time represent ANY KIND of apostolic reformation. Rev. 11:15 is referring to the Millennial Kingdom, not the present time. This Hamon teaching and prophecy is Dominionism, a major tenet for the Latter Rain of which Bill Hamon and Paul Cain are among only a few of the surviving leadership from the 1940's. If Wagner identifies himself as the head apostle of the NAR like James was the head of the apostolic council in Jerusalem, as he has declared himself, then why is Hamon coming up with a different description of the present time allegedly given to him by the Lord?

We cannot cut any cords to the past without being saved, and it is trusting in salvation that cuts the cords of sin from the past. But the worst part of this is that it is alleging that Christians can "remain a slave to the enemy". Christians are either slaves to the Lord being born again, or they are slaves to the enemy still living in unregenerate sin. We do not cut ourselves free. God cuts us free of the enemy. This is evidenced by the fact that unbelievers can have no victory over sin without being saved.

So are we all supposed to do this because God decreed it? Can you imagine God telling all Christians to ask for healing for their spleens? What if my spleen is fine? Aren't they able to remove a person's spleen and they continue to live a normal life? After spleen removal the only thing that person has to do is get vaccinated against getting pneumonia. But that is a vaccination many people get who have their spleens. Complete recovery from the surgery itself should be anticipated, in the absence of other severe injuries or medical problems. (http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/002944.htm)

If I had a dollar for each time a story or verse from the Old Testament is taken out of context and misapplied to the Gentile Church by the false prophets of the Third Wave, I would be a rich man. As I said at the top of this article, I don't have time to go through every misapplied verse from the OT and show how it has been misapplied. You can look for yourself. In this instance the story of the fall of Jericho is used to come up with some battle we have to allegedly fight today. Victory brought about by obeying the Lord at Jericho is magically transported to the present by Belt as a rallying cry to take Dominion over "every front". Christians are told to be aggressive in this Dominionist quest and the strategies of the false apostles. But mature believers must reject what the Dominionists are prophesying. We must rely on the Word of God and true unity in the Faith so that "we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming. Make no mistake about it. The schemes of the enemy involve twisting and misusing the Word of God in order to lead Christians into apostasy.

Jesus Christ will establish His Kingdom when He comes at the beginning of the 1000 years (Rev. 20:6). There is no leading up to this in terms of Kingdom establishment except that the Kingdom will be established in individuals hearts who have believed (Heb. 12:28, Col. 1:13, Rom. 14:17). The physical establishment of the Millennial Kingdom has no age leading up to it except the Gentile Christian age and, in the end (which is where we are) an age of Apostasy and Tribulation (2 Thes. 2:3). Anyone who promotes Dominionism is actually preparing people for the one to come before Christ, the Antichrist.

No fulfillment of the "prophecy" has evidenced itself. They have had their big meetings but nothing is really happening to change anything. Again we have Pierce relying on an omen (De. 18:10) in the form of a Bible verse that allegedly lit up and burned. Why do I doubt this actually happened? If God were showing Third Wavers how evil is working He would be revealing to them that they are following and promoting false apostles and false prophets like Pierce. But that has not happened. You can't be any worse of a false apostle when you claim you have apostolic authority over the Church, in the world and even in the heavenlies like Chuck, C. Peter Wagner and others have claimed. Read False Apostles for more information. Suffice it to say that the Biblical definition of a false apostle is one who claims to be equal to (or greater than) the foundational apostles. 2 Cor. 11:12-15 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. "You will speak it to the atmosphere" is clear Word of Faith "confession" heresy. It is also New Age terminology. There is also always another "anointing" to be had for every job. There is only one Anointing and that is the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ give to those who are born again. True saints are empowered by God to do His Will and given gifts to do so but they are not given a whole host of "anointings" to do so. That is patently unbiblical. There is also always the "new" thing brought in by the false prophets. Everything has to be new, new, new. It is not God's Kingdom rising up and taking over the "government of the earth". God's Kingdom will come at His second coming. The coming "government" will be a global government headed by Satan Himself through the AntiChrist. All these false prophets are just leading people astray to run after the woman who rides the beast.

If Africa could simply feed itself through crop production and the ending of tyranny, that would be a miracle enough. But these people are so deluded they think God has told them that Africa will be "a storehouse to the nations". This is obviously a false prophecy, both materially and spiritually. And God's purposes have always been in fulness.

Wow. All this from the upcoming release of a movie? Did Dr. Suess intend the "whos" to be about unborn children? Suess (Theodor Seuss Geisel) drew "over 400 (political cartoons) in two years as editorial cartoonist for the left-wing New York City daily newspaper, PM. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Seuss). So it is highly doubtful Suess would have been pro-life and using the story of Horton to make that point. Horton's ears were said to be a sort of symbol of angel wings in that Horton was a saintly character, but this is as far as any Biblical sort of analogy went with Suess. False prophets like Engle and Shultz should read up on their history before they put out false analogies. Also God does not sleep therefore He does not dream. Millions were not mobilized by this movie because the movie is not about abortion but simply a story.

This is not a prophecy but a teaching of Kim Clement. This teaching about revelation coming upon prophets that "will cause chaos" shows that his prophecies cannot be from the Lord. The Lord is not chaotic nor will He throw His servants into a chaotic state in order to communicate His Word. 1 Co 14:33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints, Instead we find this among the false prophets: Jas 3:16 For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. If "revelation" causes a Christian to become chaotic or disorderly, then that "revelation" is not from God who desires us to not worry about tomorrow (Matt. 6:34) and who gives us peace (John 14:27).

The "cry" of the false prophets is that there is a great end times revival coming. They keep "crying" but no true revival has happened. What has happened is that those who say they are part of the "Church" yet follow false prophets are going deeper and deeper into the end times Apostasy (2 Thes. 2:3). Also, where in the Bible does it talk about believers having "afterbirth" on them? The only mention of afterbirth in the Bible is in Deut. 28:57 and it has nothing to do with what Chironna is saying. There always has to be a "fresh cry of revival" among those who have the false anointing. That is because, apparently, they have not been "set free" and are still looking for something to motivate them. Those who are truly born again are set free and already obeying the Lord. Times of revival and refreshing can follow repentance (Acts 3:19) if a person truly believes in the true Jesus Christ, not the false one being portrayed by these apostate movements. Third Wavers continually demonstrate that they want revival first, then they will somehow be set free. But since they have not repented of the myriad of false doctrines they teach, the false prophets they listen to, the false apostles they follow, and the false anointing that drives them, they will not see revival. They always talk about God doing a "new thing" but have not understood that it is not God doing what is happening in their meetings and in their lives.

First of all, anyone who is truly born again has the baptism, indwelling and seal of the Holy Spirit. God can then specially empower His children for service. How many dead have been raised by the false prophets of followers of the Third Wave? The answer is none ... not one true documented case. God can raise the dead and has done so through history. But stories of dead raisings are routinely passed around in Third Wave churches without one shred of verification. If these false prophets would repent and ask God, He would slay the "giant" of the sin of false prophecy and false anointings. Until they repent of what they are doing they will NEVER see a true divine miracle, only lying signs and wonders. That is the sad part of all this.

Ever heard of reading your Bible to "hear God speak", Steve? You might also benefit from not publishing a steady stream of false prophecies. But then you might actually have to listen to what the Lord is saying about getting away from false prophets by obeying His written Word.

This wacky vision comes from an old Gnostic idea. I was in a restaurant and a man was witnessing to a group of people at a table near us. I was grateful that he had the boldness to witness until I heard what he was telling them. He was saying that you can't really understand the Gospel until you experience it. He said that the reason John was a close friend of Jesus and had more revelation that any other disciple was that he laid on Jesus breast at the Last Supper. He got some kind of Gnostic special revelation ability from being in physical contact with the Lord. This man was teaching lies. (1) The "laying on Jesus' breast" incident occurred at the Last Supper (John 13:25) yet all the disciples would have touched the Lord repeatedly during His time on earth, i.e., Thomas. But this laying on Jesus' chest had no power transfer, slain in the spirit, or magical connection attached to it. (2) The Gnostics always claim special ability through false prophecies and visions to be able to impart special new revelation knowledge beyond the Bible. (3) For Autsin to compare herself to the Apostle John is simply a way to try to glorify herself. (4) Thick heavy smells are often reported in occult situations and apostate churches that traffic in the false anointing. God is not into perfuming rooms full of people to prove He is there. Where two or three are gathered He has promised He is already there (Mt. 18:20). There is no evidence of perfuming from God in the Bible. (5) No one has or will literally be "drawn" into Jesus' heart. Jesus Christ is the God-man and is now in His glorified body at the right hand of the Father in heaven. Since this is presented as the "literal heart of Jesus" then it cannot be figurative.

I could make a joke here about "acceleration" in the bathroom but I will refrain. Not sure if the bathroom is the best place to be "worshipping" the Lord. This is a prophecy based on an omen. She should probably get a new clock since clocks are meant to tell accurate time, not be fast or slow. This is akin to other Third Wave prophecies based on birds flying over, cloud shapes and any other natural occurrence that can be misconstrued into a "prophecy". De 18:10 Let no-one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in {Or who makes his son or daughter pass through} the fire, who practises divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft ...

The Biblical facts? God never sleeps, therefore He does not dream. God is Self existent: John 5:26, Unchangeable: Heb. 1:10-12; 13:8, Eternal: John 1:1; 8:58; 17:5; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:2, Omnipresent: Matt. 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13; Eph.1:23; 4:10: Col. 3:11, Omniscient: John 16:30; 21:17; cf. 2:23-24. God would not be God if He slept. This kind of language is pervasive among Third Wave "prophets". Tommy Tenney has written books about God's dreams. Tenney is a United Pentecostal Oneness heretic who does not believe in the Trinity. Intriguing then is the inspiration for this "prophecy" coming from the Family Research Council.

Elijah PRAYED (did not "call down") to the Lord for fire to come down (1 Kings 18:36) to demonstrate that He is the only true God. That was a unique occurrence in history which will not be repeated till the end times. And this is not some kind of occurrence that Christians are commanded to repeat. In fact the Bible does speak of the next two occurrences of this phenomenon. The next one will be from the Antichrist. Re 13:13 And he performed great and miraculous signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to earth in full view of men. The last one will be God's judgment on those who want to wipe out God's people at the end of the Millennium.. Re 20:9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. So this prophecy is leading people astray to follow the Antichrist because the devil will be behind the next fire from heaven. The Lord is the only One who can command fire from heaven, change the weather, walk the waves. Christians can pray for a change in the weather but they cannot "command" the weather. There is no such mantle for Christians today.

This type of idea has been around in the Third Wave since the Kansas City Prophets and back to the New Order of the Latter Rain movement. But God is very clear in His Word that another foundation cannot be laid for the Church. 1 Cor. 3:11 For no-one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 2 Tim. 2:19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his," {Num. 16:5 (see Septuagint)} and, "Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness." Eph. 2:20 (The Church is) built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. False teachers and false prophets want to lay a new foundation in order to empower and enrich themselves.

Sad to say God does not need wealth to expand His Kingdom. In fact He has always expanded His Kingdom (in the hearts of men since the physical Kingdom has not yet come) through the preaching of the Gospel person to person and often by people who are very dependent on Him for their needs, not wants. So this is a false prophecy based on the edict of a false apostle. We are not living in any "second apostolic age". C. Peter Wagner claims he is a foundational apostle which is why he has to make up another age like the one at the beginning of the Church. But the true Church has it's foundation on the true apostles who are all with the Lord (Eph. 2:20). There are no more apostles today with the exception of what we call church planting missionaries. True Christian churches do not use the term "apostles" because that confuses people into thinking that modern "apostles" have apostolic authority, which they do not. Wagner has finally openly declared that we are to take over society, governments, businesses, etc. For that they need money. If they were simply fulfilling the Great Commission they would not. The goals have not been expanded by God, only by men who are posers. Yes, the Third Wave is amassing wealth with their "name it and claim it" false teachings. But they had better enjoy it now because they are not laying up treasure in heaven.

One can only hope that the Lord would chasten apostate Third Wave churches. But since there is no repentance for their false teachings and false prophecies, I don't see that happening. I do not see, at this time, the black and white churches having a lot of unity. Case in point would be Obama's church with pastor Rev. Wright and his racial slurs. The whole nation has been treated to racial remarks that are apparently par for the course in some black churches, as well as some white ones. If Obama gets elected I don't see that as a positive move in the direction of unity in the nation or in the church.

A lot to deal with here. Apparently God is using the web now to send messages from heaven. He is also getting people to be superstitious about the number seven as in 7/7/7. I guess God is also a programmer. Sounds like he is also an orchestra director and dance instructor as well. All we have to do is get in sync with the "divine timing of God." Whatever happened to reading your Bible, praying, and witnessing? Now Christians are commanded by these people to go from level to level in a continuing spiral of idiocy. There are always seasons of change in the Christian life. We need not know about them in advance because we are not to worry about tomorrow (Mt. 6:34). I guess God is also calling Christians to take over the governments of the world with His new and improved "governmental anointing". Of course added to that are more mantles, anointings, etc. So given all this incredibly unbiblical information about God and His Church, I have to wonder just where N. Cindy got her doctorate degree? Probably at one of the many New Apostolic "colleges" out there where anyone who buys into the Third Wave can get an easy (albeit useless) doctorate degree. Ever read Rick Warren's doctoral thesis? If you did you would know what I mean. Compare his doctoral thesis for Fuller under the mentorship of C. Peter Wagner with any legitimate Christian institution and you will see that when a person claims to have a doctorate in the Third Wave it is not really worth the paper it is printed on.

Clement is predicting that Obama will win the White House. He has a 1 in 3 chance of the prediction coming true, but even if Obama does win is he "My Man" according to God? How can he be if he has a pastor like Jeremiah Wright and attends an apostate UCC church? What is this "element of righteousness" in Obama that God knows about? Does this mean that God sanctions lies? How many lies has Obama already been caught in during the primary? This is clearly a false prophecy.

Recently Kim Clement made a false prophecy in which Clement claims “God” told him to tell us that Obama is God’s man for the White House “to rule and to reign and to declare victory in the Middle East” (whose victory? Israelis’ or Palestinians’?). The prophecy is posted on elijahlist.com which is run by Steve Shultz. Before Shultz posts each prophecy, he writes a little about the prophecy. The following is part of what Mr. Shultz wrote about Clement’s Obama prophecy: (Posted on April 15, 2008 by Simplicity In Christ)

Note what he himself has highlighted in his note. Contradictory prophecies are normal and are the nature of prophecy. According to Shultz, Clement only prophesies what he hears even if it contradicts what “God” supposedly said through another prophet. I suppose if some other prophet hears from “God” that John McCain would be elected President of the U.S., it would also be a valid prophecy from God. You see, that's the problem with flighty prophets such as those from the Elijah List. There isn't any consistency and they demean God by saying He contradicts Himself! It takes a lot of audacity and gall to shake their collective fists in God’s face and say “Hey, we don’t care what You have actually said through Your Word, through Scripture! We'll just make up the words as we go along and tell everyone it's from YOU! We have to make money somehow, don’t we?” It is simply amazing that there are “Christians” who believe that the prophecies of the Elijah List are from God. No, they are not. Can't be. Those prophets are listening to a different voice. (Posted on April 15, 2008 by Simplicity In Christ)

Those in the Third Wave actually think they are ruling from the heavenlies. Though we are "seated with Christ" that does not mean we are to rule the earth.

This is why they think they can "release great blessings into the earthly realm" What they actually release is division and lies. There is also no covenant of worship in the Bible whereby our worship we can "take on a great covenant significance."

OK. Two issues here. Where in the Bible does it teach that Christians are to make the Church exciting? The answer is nowhere. Will millions be "brought into the Kingdom" because of the exciting atmosphere of NAR churches? There may be many, very doubtful millions, of kids misled by all the hype of the false teachers and false prophets, but few will be brought into the Kingdom (Mat. 7:14). This shows how false prophets ALWAYS prophesy things against what the written Word teaches. The second issue is Clement's statement that there will be no recession in the USA as predicted. The facts are that we were already in recession prior to Clement's prophecy. Here are some article links that prove my point. "Recession has now arrived or will very shortly," Jan Hatzius, the chief U.S. economist for the investment bank Goldman Sachs, wrote in a report Wednesday. Goldman is forecasting a "mild" recession contraction lasting two to three quarters. (Fears of a U.S. recession mount, http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/01/09/business/econ.php) "My personal opinion is that the economy is now in a recession," said Martin Feldstein, president and chief executive of the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), in a speech in Boca Raton, Fla. (The Economy, Key Forecaster Says U.S. In Recession, Brian Wingfield, http://www.forbes.com/2008/03/14/economy-nber-feldstein-biz-beltway-cx_bw_0314economy.html) Of course the US Government will dumb down any figures that might indicate a recession because they are afraid people will stop spending money. But they can skew the numbers in any direction, ignoring factors that disagree with their premise. The facts are, at the time of this writing, that the economists have been saying for some time that we are in a recession. So this is a false prophecy.

So now prophets are going by their feelings from the "feeling dimension". Where is any example of this in the Bible among the true prophets? Where is this "feeling dimension" evidenced in the Bible? It is not, and in fact the Bible states that false prophets are driven by false visions and delusion of their minds. Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries {Or visions, worthless divinations} and the delusions of their own minds. Then we have this "open heaven" taught by a number of Latter Rain false teachers and false prophets. There is no such thing. God the Father and Son are in the third heaven also called Paradise. This third heaven is only "open" to those who have died in Christ. God works with His Church but the access they have to heaven is through prayer in Christ Who intercedes for us with the Father. But the core issue is that people like Goll are trying to get people to come under the false apostles and get squarely into the center of the Dominion doctrines of the NAR. So, get positioned for an open Heaven! Get into Kingdom alignment for such a time as this. (James Goll: "Confessing Generational Sins and Positioned for an Open Heaven!", The ElijahList, 4/12/08) "Kingdom alignment" is their code for pressuring people into getting the "anointing" passed on by laying on of hands (slain in the spirit), coming under the authority of the false NAR apostles and prophets, and obeying their edicts and false prophecies. There is no such thing as "Kingdom alignment" in Scripture.

(1) Signs and wonders are easy for the Lord. Lying signs and wonders mark false prophets and false teachers (Matt. 24:24, 2 Thes. 2:9). (2) There is no such thing as "mantles hovering over the Body of Christ" taught or evidenced in the Bible. (3) Sorger is given a dream where a dead woman is interacting with him. This cannot be a dream from God (De. 18:10-12). The Lord would NEVER lead people into necromantic situations. (4) "Mass miracles" in the Bible would include the feeding of the 5000, turning water into wine, etc. Those types of miracles have not been duplicated. What Sorger is talking about are mass healings. Jesus and the disciples healed people but it was always individually. To date all the "mass miracles" claimed in the Third Wave, including those Sorger lists in his article, are unproved lying signs and wonders. They can never come up with documentation on their alleged miracles for the press, and this was also the case back in Kathryn Kuhlman's day.