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p.2 Cindy Jacobs -a professional unprophetic prophet

Peter Wagner early on in the beginning of the NAR tells the story about how Cindy Jacobs was the one who introduced him to prophecy by teaching his whole Sunday school class on a weekend retreat. Wagner describes how she prophesied over almost all 50-60 members of that class. Since his forming of his apostolic leadership, those who are under Peter Wagner’s leadership have become some of the main promoters of the women ministry as pastors, prophets and apostles. Cindy Jacobs, want to see women have equal leadership in the church, especially in key leadership positions.

Cindy Jacobs speaking about Naomi Dowdy who has a church of 5000 in Singapore, “How many people are under her apostolic network, that she works in the assemblies? I think I heard maybe a thousand or something. She’s gonna teach a course on the woman as a pastor.” (Cindy Jacobs, National School of the prophets, May, 2000)

Ted Haggard, who was once the head of the National Association of Evangelicals (great choice by those who can’t discern) Haggard boldly confirmed the calling of the prophet, the prophetess and the prophetic at the prophet/apostle conference of Peter Wagner’s National School of the Prophets, ”and we welcome it into the global church of the world” (National School of the Prophets Chuck Pierce/Cindy Jacobs #00051311A May 13, 2000 Tape #15).

Mike Bickle, who was pastor of Kansas City Fellowship in Kansas City, Mo., in 1990 when the ministry of several prophets in his church brought criticism from a group of charismatic pastors in the city,” cautions labeling prophets as “false,” even when their predictions do not come to pass.

“The easy response is to discount a prophetic person who gets it wrong,” he said. “That's not the right response. We have the 'horrible' job called discernment.” “Instead of false prophecy, Bickle identifies much that occurs in current prophetic circles as “soulish” or “humanly generated,” claiming that it comes from people who are genuinely sincere, but ultimately overzealous and attention-seeking” (October 7, 2004 edition Church & Ministry).

Rick Joyner uses (as they all do) a false prophets standard for prophecy, not the bibles. “There is a prophet named Bob Jones who was told that the general level of prophetic revelation in the church was about 65% accurate at this time. Some are only about 10% accurate, a very few of the most mature prophets are approaching 85% to 95% accuracy. Prophecy is increasing in purity, but there is a still a long way to go for those who walk in this ministry” (The Prophetic Ministry, Rick Joyner- Morningstar Prophetic Newsletter. Vol. 3, No. 2, p. 2).

Who told him Bob Jones this? Did any true prophet in Scripture get anything wrong. Some say Jonah did. Prove it.

This is the problem incorporated in the NAR (the false prophetic movement with the false apostles); that there are no false prophets. That failed prophecies do not make them false prophets. They still hold to the positions as genuine prophets of God, and they stress that they’ve prophesied accurately in the past. Yet they admit that, they missed it and even apologized.

The prophets apologize by a false prophetess

Cindy Jacobs “ We’ve made a lot of mistakes. There’s no excuse but we need to do better’ Chuck Pierce “And I wanna ask forgiveness for immaturity and a lack of accuracy” …. mistakes. There's no excuse but we need to do better. But we forgive. You thought we had bad motives for what we did, when you didn’t look at the heart. We spoke things that hurt. We forgive you, do you forgive? "

I wanna take governmental responsibility and ask you to forgive the inaccuracy of the office ”(National School of the prophets Chuck Pierce/Cindy Jacobs May 13, 2000 11:00 AM)

What a manipulative way to apologize, they forgive because they did not have bad motives! He claims their heart is good. They hurt people with their prophecies and since they forgive you( for what?) you need to forgive them! Pure manipulation on their part.

Both Cindy Jacobs and Chuck Pierce say: “ I wanna say to you pastors, I so admire you because the prophets have hurt you, evidently, - your prophetic people - but yet you still believe in it or you wouldn’t be here. I am amazed.”

Pierce then stated, “And the second thing I wanna do is ask forgiveness from the prophetic realm. There will come a time that we will be very, very accurate in days ahead. And I wanna ask forgiveness for immaturity and a lack of accuracy that has come to bring words into the Body of Christ that have not been accurate

Is there a prophetic realm? They think there is, God's word is floating around for many to tune in and catch his drift.

“Then I want to ask forgiveness for prophets all over the world, and all over this land, who have given words that are not accurate. I wanna say to you, pray for us that we will become intimate with the Lord in such a way that we will be so accurate that if we come to you and say "Beware, this is going to happen," you can count on it happening. So please forgive the inaccuracy of the office first. I wanna take governmental responsibility and ask you to forgive the inaccuracy of the office. Then I want of ask you to forgive the inaccuracy of a gift being filtered through emotions that are not pure. Please forgive that. Its not the gift per se’ but sometimes it gets filtered through fear. Sometimes it gets filtered through bitterness. Sometimes it gets filtered through condemnation. Sometimes it gets filtered through lust. Please forgive that darkened filter and ask the Lord to begin to cleanse the Body of Christ. Now Lord I say sweep us clean. Sweep us clean !( National School of the prophets Chuck Pierce/Cindy Jacobs Sat. May 13, 2000)

And nearly 25 years later nothing has changed, in fact, they have become worse.

Prophecy is not filtered through emotions, it is something very different that Pierce Jacobs and the rest of their inaccurate comrades do not comprehend! No true prophet spoke his own words but spoke word for word what they heard the Lord say to them, accurately. What if we were to treat the prophets in the Scripture like they want us to treat them? Who could you trust?

Why is prophecy different than teaching?

Prophecy is not the same as studying for a message and constructing it to deliver a sermon. Prophecy is direct words God speaks to man and that man is not to change what he hears when he delivers it to people.

NO, is NOT the same as teaching!

I say this with a caveat: if one is consistently wrong on the core doctrines of God’s nature or man, wrong in the main theological categories, such as eschatology (the study of last things) they can be a false teacher. This can be done intentionally or not. False teaching forces them to prophecy falsely.

Let me give an applicable example of what she and her prophetic comrades are saying. Let's say someone drives all over the road and constantly goes over the line and has been in 6 accidents (all their fault), that does not mean they are a bad driver? Are we are to continue to issue a drivers license to them?

Revelation thirteen tells us the false prophet works with the Antichrist to deceive everyone in the world. Should we not call him a false prophet but instead a wrong prophet?

Peter writes “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, (2 Peter 2:1-3). Better change the scripture, Peter was a wrong prophet to say they are false!

Were there no false prophets among the people of Israel that led them astray throughout the history of the nation or in the history of the Church? Better change these words in scripture.

The church is so used to false prophecy that its acceptable for a prophet to be wrong and continue to be wrong. There are no consequences for speaking wrong for God! Now when you are wrong you are right! Light is then darkness and darkness is now light.

The Bible tells us Many will be deceived by false prophets and accompanying miracles of satanic origin. Matt 24:24 “For false Christs and 82false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible. See, I have told you in advance . But those follow the Word of God and use it to discern will not be deceived.

Matt 24:11-12 “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.”

At the end of the age we are told false prophets will increase, in fact, they will have a coalition. Wait, that would mean … that’s right, you're reading of them.

The continuing Apologizing prophets

Cindy Jacobs, author and co-founder of Generals of Intercession, argues that there is a “serious double standard” in how prophetic ministry is judged in comparison to the other fivefold gifts.

“We're so critical toward the prophetic gift, yet a pastor or teacher could get up and say the same things -- supposedly under the influence of the Holy Spirit -- in their sermons and not have any accountability for it,” Jacobs told “Ministries Today” magazine in the September/October issue.

“The same excesses that have plagued the prophecy movement have affected the other gifts,” she added. ( Charisma magazine, Prophetic Movement Confronts Extremes of Suppression, Sensationalism.)

I disagree because God's word says otherwise. These ‘so called prophets’ are NOTHING like the biblical prophets. If there are no false prophets, only prophetic mistakes by their words spoken,  this would means there is accountability for the false words spoken as prophecy (God states in Det. 13, 18 there was and always will be). The double standard is allowing those who are the problem to be a solution to the problem, which escalates the problem and gives no way to fix the problem.

p.3 Signs and wonder in the prophetic movement - More false prophetic words



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